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Offline vincent

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #60 on: March 25, 2010, 12:02:28 PM »
Just terminated the 1st prototypes.



I need three time more towers, gateways and destroyed wall section and I'll be ready for a real siege :)

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2010, 12:09:00 PM »
Warmuster #2 will be dedicated to siege.....  REAL nice stuff Vincent. How hard is it to make ?

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #62 on: March 25, 2010, 12:26:51 PM »
Actually, this is surprisingly easy once you made the milliput negative of stone walls to engrave the foam :)

The only problem so far is that foam is too light, causing wall sections to shift on the table board when manipulating minis atop them. that will be easily solved with either some weight added into the foam core or by adding some textile piece below the stands.

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #63 on: March 25, 2010, 12:29:43 PM »
Do you "press" the negatives into the foam ? or do you fill/pour stuff in ?? Can you do a step-by-step ??

light = easy to ship by mail, and weighing them down should not be to hard

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2010, 01:08:36 PM »
Tutorial:

1/ Sclupting positive wall

Scultp a large wall section within polystyrene to your liking.
Make sure the final result is not too much regular. I pressed some stones to ensure the wall surface is not regular as an example.
Do not hesitate to exagerate sculpting as with any positive mold.


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2/ Making a negative (1)

Apply lubricant to the wall so that milliput will not stick to the positive.
Make sure NOT to use oil-based lubricant since that would cause a chemical reaction with polystyrene ruining your wall.

Get some wood surface and cut it several time with a modeling cisor; this will help milliput to stick hard to the wood.

Prepare your milliput so that it is very flexible (use water!). Apply a layer of milliput over the wood and press it hard to a 3mm-thick regular surface.

Now press your milliput onto the positive wall VERY hard (about 60-70kg pression) and wait for an hour for the milliput to start curing.


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3/ Making a negative (2)

Separate gently the positive wall from the milliput and its wooden base. If you used lubricant properly that should be fairly easy and the milliput shall not remain sticked to the positive.

Way a day for the milliput to cure.

With modeling cisor remove any excess milliput to have a clean negative wall.



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4/ Engraving foam (1)

Cut wall from polystyrene to desired dimension.
I'm using 12x4cm sections.

Press cut sections with negative milliput wall. Press HARD. I mean VERY HARD. I do jump lay foam on the floor, lay negative milliput wall atop, and jump on top of it a couple of time. Wathever your technique, make sure to apply even pression on the foam, since uneven pression will wrap it forever. Do the same on the other side of the foam.

For a perfect result you could use two negative wall to engrave both sides the same time. If using a single negative, the 1st engraved side will loose some of its depth when working the second side.

Please mind that this pression will cause the foam to thin from 10% to 30%. Do some test with your own foam.



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4/ Engraving foam (2)

Now use the same technique to engrave the wall top. Do that gently and make sure not to press as hard as for the wall sides since that would wrap you wall forever.



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5/ Sculpt

Use the same technic with thiner and smaller foam sections that will be used to build crenels.
When engraved, cut and bevel them to crenel shape.



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6/ Assembly

Use your favorite foam-friendly glue to finish your wall section.



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7/ Done!

Now your have your walls ready for painting and basing.
Make sure NOT to prime them using aerosol-based primer since that would dissolve your foam...

With this technique I build a single wall section every 10 minutes.
You can use the same technique for towers and gateway. For towers, you will have better results by cutting 4 sides, engraving them, embeveling them and glue to the final tower.

« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 01:19:38 PM by vincent »

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #65 on: March 25, 2010, 01:24:25 PM »
Ho, I forgot: it is very, very, very cheap since except milliput, everything is either inexpensive or can be found free easily.
But even for milliput, you pay once, and reuse as many time as you need :)

Total cost of walls/towers/gateway on picture, including basing and painting, is about 10 EUR (8 Pounds), half that price being for milliput (one-time only cost) and the other half for paint and glue.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 06:04:39 PM by vincent »

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #66 on: March 25, 2010, 02:54:28 PM »
Sweet.
Just what I need for my dwarven hold :)

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2010, 03:39:42 PM »
Very didactic Vincent, thank you!

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2010, 08:38:36 AM »
Interesting, I was expecting the foam used to be that cavity filler, like 'grip fill' for example. Expanding foam in a can... Very nice fortress though, very nice indeed. And of course a heck of a lot cheaper than the Forgeworld fortress, actually is that available anymore?

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2010, 10:29:51 PM »
A short pause to test 28mm painting (I had never painted to this scale before):


I've been very surprised how 28mm painting techniques are so much different from 10mm one.

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2010, 08:13:15 AM »
Yeah....you need a lot of more layers for 28mm range then for 10mm to achieve the same effect.
Size matters ....in this case  ;D

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2010, 11:02:31 AM »
Pretty cool Vincent!  The paint and also the model.



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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2010, 11:06:58 AM »
Nice work, I would apply a spot of matt varnish though on the flesh, cloth and ball.

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2010, 08:57:41 PM »
Nice work, I would apply a spot of matt varnish though on the flesh, cloth and ball.
Great idea :)

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Re: [WM] Vincent's Stuff
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2010, 10:27:30 PM »
Nice work, I would apply a spot of matt varnish though on the flesh, cloth and ball.
Great idea :)
I figured she greased her bum to slip trough the defence .....