The BFG: Expanded Revised Rules Thread (New Years 2022 Update!)

[Xca|iber]

Hey everyone! Finally got back into the swing of things with my new PC and workflow setup! Time for an update:

Tyranids are here! The BFG 2015 Tyranids list can be found in the link in the first post or here (link). Let me know what you think!

Also, the change log has been parsed out and moved into each separate document at the end. Now it should be much easier to see what has changed (and it will be easier for me when I do updates).

Next up, I'm looking to finish either Orks or Tau, depending on which I feel motivated to do first. (As you can see, I am desperately trying to avoid Imperial Navy and Chaos... but fear not, their day will come  ).

[Bessemer]

Just had a quick run through on the 'nids and Iv'e got to say you've done a bang up job on this! Seriously, the presentation on these docs beats any of the previous BFGR stuff hands down. Well done!

[Xca|iber]

Hey all, quick update:

Corrected an error in the Dark Eldar fleet list, which had Phantom lances only causing 2 hits on a roll of 6, rather than 5+ as it should be. Also corrected a language issue with Incubi upgrades.

Corrected an error in the main rulebook which omitted the restriction against having more than four 2-hit escorts in a single squadron. Also added a clause to the hit-and-run rules which clarifies that ship-wide or faction-wide bonuses to hit-and-run attacks also applies to ordnance such ships launch.

That's it, just wanted to let everyone know. The new versions are up (you may need to re-download documents for the changes to take effect, if you are also using Dropbox).

[MaWo79]

Hey Xca|iber, glad to hear that you are still working on the project. You’re doing a great job. I was already wondering why the Chaos and Imp fleet lists are still missing. Is there a reason you are avoiding these two core fleet lists? Is it because they are a lot of work or are you less interested in these two factions? And is there a way I can motivate you to prioritize the Ork fleet list over the Tau fleet list?

[Xca|iber]

Hey Xca|iber, glad to hear that you are still working on the project. You’re doing a great job. I was already wondering why the Chaos and Imp fleet lists are still missing. Is there a reason you are avoiding these two core fleet lists? Is it because they are a lot of work or are you less interested in these two factions? And is there a way I can motivate you to prioritize the Ork fleet list over the Tau fleet list?

The core Imperial Navy and Chaos lists are missing solely because they are substantially longer documents than any of the other factions, and I've been trying to avoid jumping into them until I've got most of the other ones finished.

As for Orks v Tau, it is likely that I will work on Orks next. The main concern here is that while Tau is more complex (with all their allies and the FW vs GW ships), the Orks were never finalized for BFG:R, so I will need to do more research on exactly what was planned for them. Still, I expect Orks will be next up.

[Xca|iber]

Hey everybody! I was hoping to get this update in before Thanksgiving, but things get busy during the holidays 

Da Orks iz here!

As I said, I was hoping to have this up last week-ish but things got away from me. In any case, the Orks book is now up. If you're curious as to why it doesn't really look (at all) like the currently available BFG:R Orks document, this is because I based the BFG 2015 version on a draft version of the BFG:R document that was voted and finalized, but never posted due to a few outstanding errors. Finding that version made my job a heck of a lot easier - in true Orky fashion, I just slapped on a new coat of proverbial paint and it was good to go.

As for the status of the project itself, I am still working on it, with just a few more codexes to go. I realize that a lot of what I'm doing will probably be invalidated by this time next year, what with the new announcement of the BFG reboot, but I'm committed to press on. My current goal is to finish my set before the new BFG stuff hits, since I expect it will be a while before we see anything on GW's end (they only just started hiring the team, after all). I'm hoping that I'll be able to keep my work available in the long term, but that will depend on what happens in the next year.

I haven't decided what race is up next, so if anyone has any burning desire for any fleets in particular, speak up 

[Gun_wun]

Thanks Boss! Left column shift.................  Reminds me ta send ya some extra teef fer dat wun!

[Xca|iber]

Thanks Boss! Left column shift.................  Reminds me ta send ya some extra teef fer dat wun!

Glad you like it! I'll use those teef to buy some more red paint 

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In project news, I've got another small announcement (which I forgot to post before):

The "BFG 2015" Project is looking for a new better name! Several folks have brought up the very valid point that my project's working title isn't very descriptive, and is going to be dated in less than a month. As such, I'm hoping to find a better, more permanent name for this little endeavor. Ideally, I'm hoping for something short and sweet, but encapsulating the content as best as possible.

Originally, I had wanted to call it something like BFG: Revised - Extended, to honor the fact that most of the actual content was produced by the BFG:R team; however, I didn't want to overstep the bounds of propriety since I'm not actually a contributor to BFG:R, and the rulebook section is mostly classic BFG+FAQ2010.

In any case, I'm looking for suggestions! Let me know what you think would be a better name!

[Seahawk]

Maybe "BFG 2015 - Unofficial" would be best?

[Lotus]

Maybe "BFG 2015 - Unofficial" would be best?

If people are searching for rules, they will see "2015" and will asume that this set of rules ist the "unofficial but most up to date set of rules everybody uses". So, "2015" should not be there. New players (or - old players which found there old fleet in the attic and wanted to use it again) should not get the impression "Eldar MMS" is the "semi-official" way to play.

[LeperColony]

Maybe "BFG 2015 - Unofficial" would be best?

If people are searching for rules, they will see "2015" and will asume that this set of rules ist the "unofficial but most up to date set of rules everybody uses". So, "2015" should not be there. New players (or - old players which found there old fleet in the attic and wanted to use it again) should not get the impression "Eldar MMS" is the "semi-official" way to play.

I agree with this, but not sure there's a great solution.  MMS and 2 hit escorts are pretty controversial among the BFG community.  But at the same time, there's only so many ways to name a document.

Maybe something like 2015 Experimental?

Of course, one possible solution would be to include ALL the rules sets.

Then it would be something like 2015 Compilation.

[Gothmog Lord of Balrogs]

Except everyone Knows GW is not putting out any BFG rules right now. Haven't in YEARS. So "2015" in the title inherently implies it is not official.

[LeperColony]

And yet many people still believe 2010 is official, when it isn't.

Plus, I think part of Lotus's point was that putting a year without qualifier makes it seem like it is generally accepted, aside from whether it is official or not.  MMS and 2 hit escorts may be widely used, but I wouldn't be brave enough to say they are generally accepted (for instance, I don't accept either).

Since Xca|iber's project is based on BFG:R, which I think can be safely described as a minority adopted rules set, I don't think Lotus is entirely off the mark.  But, as I indicated, I'm not sure how many other ways the file can be named.

[Lotus]

And yet many people still believe 2010 is official, when it isn't.

Plus, I think part of Lotus's point was that putting a year without qualifier makes it seem like it is generally accepted, aside from whether it is official or not.  MMS and 2 hit escorts may be widely used, but I wouldn't be brave enough to say they are generally accepted (for instance, I don't accept either).

100% this.


Since it is based on BFG:R -
maybe something like.... BFG:R expanded?

Including BFG:R in the name would at least make sure that this is a specialized ruleset.

[MaWo79]

How about "Xcalibers BFG Compilation" or something like that? Basically it is a collection of official an nonofficial BFG rules and the latest changes that he and others adopted.

BTW: I totally love this project. It is the first time that someone puts everything together into one rulebook. I think it was about time.