Bretonnian tactics

[kyussinchains]

do most people tend to use the tournament or original list?

looking at the tournament list, the ability to take pegasus knights (which seem super cheap for their potency) and more than a single trebuchet seems a no-brainer....

[Geep]

The doule-trebuchet is also toned down from 6 shots to 4.

Pegasus knights are good, but they're about as vulnerable as your other Knights and can't be sacrificed (counting for break point). Combine that with their requirement to charge on initiative and they can be tricky to get the most from.

Counter to what I've interpreted some people's advice to be: There's a problem in sending the non-Knights in first to weaken the enemy. Although they don't count for break point, those units do count for victory points, and breaking the enemy isn't auto-win (it always comes down to VPs, but a broken enemy can only get a draw at best). If you send your regular men in unsupported and they all die, you can easily find yourself only having drawn games as you break your opponent but lose on VPs.

I'll just state again- this is all from reading Bretonnian tactics threads, never having seen them played.

[Lex]

Counter to what I've interpreted some people's advice to be: There's a problem in sending the non-Knights in first to weaken the enemy. Although they don't count for break point, those units do count for victory points, and breaking the enemy isn't auto-win (it always comes down to VPs, but a broken enemy can only get a draw at best). If you send your regular men in unsupported and they all die, you can easily find yourself only having drawn games as you break your opponent but lose on VPs.

Yup... a good Bret player will be a bean-counter....   will I have nuff peasants left to get the crops of the field

[Aldhick]

do most people tend to use the tournament or original list?

looking at the tournament list, the ability to take pegasus knights (which seem super cheap for their potency) and more than a single trebuchet seems a no-brainer....

I agree the pegasus knights are not a no-brain due to their vulnerability and break point issue. They've got to be played very carefuly. But what is a no-brainer in my eyes is the reliqe. I like the idea itself, but I'm still not getting why it is so cheap. The price/efficiency makes it "must have" option and is perfectly spoiling smaller than 2k games.
 What was the original idea of enhencing the list anyway? I've never played against the original list. Was it too easy to defeat?

[Dave]

I believe it was just to give the Bret list a few more options.

[Lex]

I believe it was just to give the Bret list a few more options.

And Spiritus wanted to make it slightly more based on the WHFB Bret list

[jchaos79]

Agree with Aldhick, I had played against brets, and relic is too much... for few points.

[calmacil]

What was the original idea of enhencing the list anyway? I've never played against the original list. Was it too easy to defeat?

The original list is still competitive, they still give my orcs a good game.

We decided to change a rule when we have multi player games. We prefer to have one break point number, rather then each army with it's own. So when in multi player games the Bret's have break points the same as everyone else. We prefer it