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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2015, 07:03:00 AM »
I did a little bit of stadistics, and Dwarves with lizardmen are the most succesful armies. They are around 75%-80% of victories (numbers by heart). They are a toough army.

Good to read your posts and tactics. It is interesting the one you use the artillery brigade to move and shoot while your infantry fix the enemy.

When you talked about "Dwarven Hammer" in the 5th parragraph you said that thunderers can move out to shoot the enemy supporting units (that is very smart) and 3 warrior columns run forward, usually one can hit the flank. Remember that to hit the the flank of enemy unit it is needed that the charge begins in the flank's enemy 45º zone. Also charges are made unit after unit and they can block LOS of your own attacking units. As units of hte brigade that do not charge should stay in contact each other then you should choose of moving the thunderers to support with fire or move the warriors to support the fight (some stariway wierd formation could be made to partial support and conect the thunderers to shoot, but is not very elegant), unless you succeed another command roll, of course.

A lot of situations could ocurr during a charge distance in a game, I am just thinking in a satandard situation of Dwarf hammer vs regular 4row inf block with 10cm of separation.

Girocopter at the back of enemy brigade is definitiveley a devastating choice. The dwarf trap, it can grape shot and if enemy lost the combat they giros hunt down the broken lines while retreating and terminate them quickly (just put gircoptter to 1cm of the back of enemy brigade shoot and wait unitl Dwarf Hammer do his job)


Really nice this topic about games mechanics and tactics!




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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2015, 02:29:04 AM »
Where did you find the numbers? Is that something I could look at, like tournament results online or something like that?  That is the first time I have heard something good about the dwarves honestly, I thought my 19 year old self had doomed me to play the poopy dwarves for the rest of my life!!!  LOL

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2015, 04:47:48 PM »
Hi, I re read my post and my english is so bad, I apologize. If something is not understood I could write it again in a moment no too tired.

some thoughts about armies here

http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=315.0

If you are interested in the excel file (with the sources of players and battles) send me your email address and I will be please to send it to you.

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Re: dwarf tactics
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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2015, 05:00:53 PM »
your English is way better than my..... "anything other than English"....Portuguese?

you can send me the info if you'd like to cjbennett22@gmail.com  Thank you.

Im sure it would make for a nice read as well as these old posts!

does any of the info have the army lists so that I could try them out myself?  Thanks a bunch!

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2015, 06:24:50 PM »
 ... not portugese but spanish  :)

I am afraid there are not such detail as armylist, but the last year I hyperlinked the games.

I'll send you the stadisitc file. About 450 games. Dwarves won 53 of 83 games played by different players so realiable stadistic.

Araby (13 won of 19), and Daemon (12 won of 16). Most of the games were played by Claus ( I great WM player) so maybe the stadistic for this two armies are not so reliable of how the armylist behave. They talk us about how Claus manage his armies :).

I have lost a lot of games against dwarves, so in my opinion they are a dangerous opponent. I game a few times with the dwarves and I have good time.

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2015, 09:26:30 PM »
just wanted to thank all the posters for their thoughts, this has been a really enlightening topic for me and I've learned a lot about my little bearded dudes! thanks! :)
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dwarf tactics
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2015, 08:33:42 AM »
Yeah, me too! I'd happily see lots more of these kind of topics!

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2015, 01:19:06 AM »
one more thing I discovered.  I doubt I was the first but found this to work very very well with the rangers.

2 rangers, in column side by side.  In some of the rules clarifications in the warmaster magazine.....it escapes me where right now.....it explains that when in column the stands can still see straight ahead from their outside edge and straight along their side.  So when I was attacked, there was only enough frontage for one cavalry (mind you there is actually enough room for more in front but for my situation, 1 unit).  So I got 4 shooting attacks AND support in the fight.  So now my rangers, which screen my flanks, set up on column instead of a line.

My brother was fighting me when I did this and he was starting to get annoyed that I was really taking advantage of some rules and called that one cheese but he had to agree that his elf archers should be doing that as well.

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2015, 07:33:11 AM »
That's not the way we play it here. Why would you ever want your shooting units in line then? Imagine the effect of a Dark Elf crossbowman unit or brigade in column formation moving up to within 11 centimeters. 6 shots per unit in the shooting phase followed by 6 additional shots before combat if the poor enemy unit decides or is able to charge next round.

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2015, 10:21:38 AM »
It's strange that Orcs are at 0% wins!
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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2015, 10:55:04 AM »
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it explains that when in column the stands can still see straight ahead from their outside edge and straight along their side.
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That's not the way we play it here.
That's not the way I'd play it either. If a unit can shoot to the side or rear, like Wolf Riders, then yes- they can all shoot from a column if their sides are in range and line of sight. A regular unit in a column though should have the front stand perfectly block the rear stand. You could off-set each stand slightly to get a lot more shots, but then you'd have issues with an irregular formation and no support in combat.
It really seems too powerful otherwise.

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2015, 12:56:02 PM »
one more thing I discovered.  I doubt I was the first but found this to work very very well with the rangers.

2 rangers, in column side by side.  In some of the rules clarifications in the warmaster magazine.....it escapes me where right now.....it explains that when in column the stands can still see straight ahead from their outside edge and straight along their side.  So when I was attacked, there was only enough frontage for one cavalry (mind you there is actually enough room for more in front but for my situation, 1 unit).  So I got 4 shooting attacks AND support in the fight.  So now my rangers, which screen my flanks, set up on column instead of a line.

My brother was fighting me when I did this and he was starting to get annoyed that I was really taking advantage of some rules and called that one cheese but he had to agree that his elf archers should be doing that as well.

ILLEGAL PROCEDURE!

SHOOTING FROM THE FRONT, unless shooting all round is explicite stated, and even in that case the unit attacking needs to be in LOS for 2d and 3t stands in column to shoot !

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2015, 04:14:38 PM »
Just to be clear, so I am not explaining something really awfully and too make sure there isn't any language barriers, I have attached an image of the shooting range of the dwarven rangers against the charging silver helms

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Re: dwarf tactics
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2015, 07:11:24 PM »
in my opinion 2 and 3 stand of the column has the whole frontage block for the first stand. No LOS so they should not fire.

If you talking about wee formation (something not too polite) hey cuold fire but they are in irregular formation, but I guess there is no doubt in column formation.
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