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Offline Draccan

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Wood Elf Army List
« on: November 09, 2014, 05:53:59 PM »
What do you guys think about this Wood Elf Army List (as opposed to the experimental standard one):

http://www.google.dk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.specialist-arms.com%2Ffanatic%2F89we.pdf&ei=k6NfVLbXAsfgapGbgvgD&usg=AFQjCNFY5GlkFSqPosQ1Qy_m9s6cM77ZfQ&sig2=1cCEFoj9hjBAwz-ruG-gCg&bvm=bv.79189006,d.d2s&cad=rja

I am not familiar with it's history, but it seems to be more inclusive and well thought of when compared to the standard experimental one...

Thoughts?
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 06:17:14 PM »
IMHO I prefere the one that appeared in warmaster magazine

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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 06:17:56 PM »
Why?

This one? Warmaster Trial Armies Compendium 2009
http://wm-selector.appspot.com/resources/Warmaster_Trial_Armies_2009.pdf
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 06:35:08 PM »
Both list are from Mr. Hildreth, and I do not want to discourage using them or distrust his work, what is always welcome.

Army trial list Mr Hildreth + Atkins fits better with warmaster ruleset, and is an improve from orignial Hildreth list.

But what I like (it is my opinion) is the simple one that appear in warmaster magazine, I think in nº6. Is not so sophisticated and have a normal imput of troops (more of ten for a warmaster list seems to me too much). It is.. more humble, more easy, more balance, and with more flavour of the original lists.

Hope I answerd your question, but is a matter of taste, I do not want to say the work of Mr. Hildreth and Atkins is not worthy or good.
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2014, 06:43:31 PM »
Oh wow, this looks interesting.

I think the Skirmishing rule is way too complex and powerful, especially suggesting that infantry basically have NO terrain they can't just scoot over.

A couple of things seem a little undercosted in the list considering their special rules and how they are thematically going to be fighting on a board that probably has a bunch of woods.

If I was going to use it, I wouldn't bother with Wardancers or Waywatchers.  Wardancers especially there is just no suitable proxy unit.

The problem I find with the Warmaster App list is the 3/2 minimum units for Eternal Guard and Glade Guard and the inability to run a true Treeman/Treekin unit or Giant model.
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 06:49:05 PM »
The one you (jchaos) speak of is it available online?
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 06:52:46 PM by Draccan »
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 07:01:49 PM »
Oh wow, this looks interesting.

I think the Skirmishing rule is way too complex and powerful, especially suggesting that infantry basically have NO terrain they can't just scoot over.

A couple of things seem a little undercosted in the list considering their special rules and how they are thematically going to be fighting on a board that probably has a bunch of woods.

If I was going to use it, I wouldn't bother with Wardancers or Waywatchers.  Wardancers especially there is just no suitable proxy unit.

The problem I find with the Warmaster App list is the 3/2 minimum units for Eternal Guard and Glade Guard and the inability to run a true Treeman/Treekin unit or Giant model.

Yeah the Exp. army list from the Warmaster App is limited. They have no eagles, no treekin and the treeman is a character and not a monster unit. I am not so happy with that list. The other list though has only 1 stand pr. waywatchers unit and that's probably not going to work... But of those two lists I prefer the one from google docs..

But reading it more closely I am not too crazy about the skirmishing rule. Maybe playing that list and just ignoring that rule.. ?
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 07:04:05 PM by Draccan »
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2014, 07:20:04 PM »
The one you (jchaos) speak of is it available online?

I do not have the list in pdf. And my warmagzines are in other city (500 km far from here). Maybe someone else could take a shot of the page of warmaster magazine and share it here.

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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2014, 08:22:19 PM »
If you read it carefully, the skirmishing rule is only applied if you increase the cost of each unit by at least 5 points!

An alternative I would think is letting you use the Empire skirmisher unit rules and treat those as a proxy for all the Waywatcher/wardancer type units.
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2014, 08:24:31 PM »
Seems more and more like they need a complete rewrite...  :'(
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2014, 09:06:25 PM »
As far as I understood it, the list was always meant to be overpowered because the Wood Elves don't really leave the forest, they are 90% of the time defending the forest from Brets / Beastmen / Chaos / Skaven trying to cut it down.

So you were meant to be running a smaller defensive army with lots of advantages against a "normal" attacking or marauding army.
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2014, 09:55:30 PM »
As far as I understood it, the list was always meant to be overpowered because the Wood Elves don't really leave the forest, they are 90% of the time defending the forest from Brets / Beastmen / Chaos / Skaven trying to cut it down.

So you were meant to be running a smaller defensive army with lots of advantages against a "normal" attacking or marauding army.

Correct..... and there is an even more whacky WE list around, which is objective driven and allows additional terrain-pieces to be bought as part of the list. With that list you will ALWAYS play "defend the Realm" (or rather the woodlands

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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2014, 10:30:02 PM »
It would certainly be interesting to play on a board with no hills or roads - just loads of smaller woods.  Making artillery impossible and cavalry very difficult to use!
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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2014, 01:16:16 AM »
I prefer the google docs version Draccan posted for a few reasons

1) Variety- I know most Warmaster armies have been cut down on purpose, but I've always gone and expanded them anyway- for example my Orcs and Goblins (already one of the biggest lists) now has savage orcs, savage orc boar boyz and spider riders- plus more to come. This is related to the next point...

2) I like my Warmaster armies to resemble my Warhammer armies, so I like the option of having Eagles in my Warmaster army, accompanied by Warhawk Riders. I also tend to theme my Warhammer armies, so I like to be able to give a similar theme to my Warmaster armies, but that's currently difficult because...

3) Restrictions- I'm making a small 1000pt Wood Elf force and want to have a good mix of units. In the Trial Armies list that's just not possible- more than 500pts in the first 1000pts must go to minimum requirements. Most units are then expensive, so I can only field another 2-3 units and not have the variety I want. I can't take a lot of Glade Riders or Wild Riders and have a strong mounted contingent to the army, they'll always be outnumbered by the 5 minimum infantry requirements. Similarly, I'd like a treeman- they're iconic. You can't take one until 2000pts in the Trial Armies list.

As Stormwind mentioned, the Skirmisher rule doesn't apply unless you add an extra 5pts per unit, so you can ignore it if you want. I admit it sounds strong- from what I understand it's from Ancients, so to those familiar with WMA it may be a simple rule to play.

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Re: Wood Elf Army List
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2014, 06:56:22 PM »
Hi all, I just found a document with the wood army list of the warmaster magazine nº8.

If someone is interested in the document they could pm to jchaos79@yahoo.es

This list seems to be the original list of Mr. Artkins. For my taste is perfect for warmaster.

If variety like wardancers is wished could be made with alternative figures and use glade warrior + object or banner. But is just my opinion.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2014, 07:00:55 PM by jchaos79 »