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Offline Ole

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« on: November 06, 2014, 07:06:58 PM »
Hi,

me and my gaming group wondered the other day why there is no living rule book of warmaster.

Is it because no one did ever all of the writing?
It can't be an legal issue because the epic community hasn't stopped after 2009. And the french Warmaster stuff is there as well.

And the big question is what would you change if the community is coming to a mutual agreement about it?


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Re: LRB
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 07:12:49 PM »
I would like to change the wording of the units move off table chart. The wording of WMA is more explicit.

3-4 The unit reappears at the table edge at the same point it left. The unit cannot move further that command phase.
5-6 The unit repairs at the table edge at the same point it left. If it is reappearing at the beginning of a command phase, it may be given orders in that command phase but my not use initiative that turn.

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Re: LRB
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2014, 01:10:00 PM »
The problem is, that the community is never going to come to any mutual agreement :-) You are not the first who came up with this  :)
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Re: LRB
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 02:30:47 PM »
I have been trying to (re)direct attention and energy towards that, but there are to many meta-environments now that it is almost impossible to get things organized.

There is however a LRB, but that is more or less in cryogenic statis.

Stuff like the additional armies are the closest we came to gettin consensus, and even there for a handfull of suggestions

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Re: LRB
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2014, 02:48:43 PM »
Not really in the topic but related....

still Getlord, SpiritusX,machina and other warmaster gurus out there?

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Re: LRB
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2014, 04:37:10 PM »
The problem is, that the community is never going to come to any mutual agreement :-) You are not the first who came up with this  :)

You might be right about this. But I believe if there is a shiny new paper, quite a lot people would jump the train.

I have been trying to (re)direct attention and energy towards that, but there are to many meta-environments now that it is almost impossible to get things organized.

There is however a LRB, but that is more or less in cryogenic statis.

Stuff like the additional armies are the closest we came to gettin consensus, and even there for a handfull of suggestions

The first question is about the legal part of copying the Rulebook and transforming it into a LRB. It's working for Epic so why not for Warmaster.

Let's just say I know someone who is willing to do the footwork so some of the rule brains in here just have to get the input/change and let's see what father Christmas has got in his pockets.

Some of the changes are rather common like the Flyer Charge distance.

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Re: LRB
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2014, 05:20:47 PM »
The first question is about the legal part of copying the Rulebook and transforming it into a LRB. It's working for Epic so why not for Warmaster.

There actual is a electronic version already

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Let's just say I know someone who is willing to do the footwork so some of the rule brains in here just have to get the input/change and let's see what father Christmas has got in his pockets.

If you want to do the "legwork" then I suggest you start with making an overview of what (house)rules the various groups in "skandinavia" play with and what is used at events.

Including an overview of (fan/alternative) armies played and the adjustments there

Put the results in a Google document and share it (so not just here, put it in a place where we can have everyone access that

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Some of the changes are rather common like the Flyer Charge distance.

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Re: LRB
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2014, 05:41:55 PM »

There actual is a electronic version already


Is that document just readable or writeable? If it is readable then the footwork would start in compiling the whole thing, wouldn't it?

If you want to do the "legwork" then I suggest you start with making an overview of what (house)rules the various groups in "skandinavia" play with and what is used at events.

Including an overview of (fan/alternative) armies played and the adjustments there

Put the results in a Google document and share it (so not just here, put it in a place where we can have everyone access that


That would be a start. But why in scandinavia?

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Re: LRB
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 05:47:04 PM »
It is compiled already I think

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That would be a start. But why in scandinavia?

Because we have the french version already, most UK and US players are more or less vanilla and we we had swedes, germans and danes?? in a tournament last week, so issues on houserules and interpretation are bound to have come up

you can also look into Polisch and Check communities

and talk with Alexey on the Siberian set...

But you need to start somewhere!

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Re: LRB
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2014, 06:57:34 PM »
Only Swedes and Germans in the tournament, but yes there were some (friendly) discussions about house rules. One could of course argue that the Scanians are almost Danes but that would be trolling and I don't do that. 😄

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Re: LRB
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2014, 09:31:47 PM »
The french ruleset would indeed be a great start I think.

It's mainly a compilation of WMA with the errata from Rick. I could assemble the text (english and french are both ok) but don't have sufficient time to spend on layout - I'ld rather spend it on reducing my lead mountain. 

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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2014, 11:09:19 PM »
Jo, the French set has its pro's and con's, otherwise we would have all been using it by now..... B-)

I suggested that we use the "basic/vanilla" rule-book as the base document and "insert" the various amended/house-rules in the relevant sections, identifiable.

That way we create a document based on the "official" published rules with all additional stuff recognizably included and use that as a basis to seek community agreement.

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2014, 10:15:22 PM »
Jo, the French set has its pro's and con's, otherwise we would have all been using it by now..... B-)

I suggested that we use the "basic/vanilla" rule-book as the base document and "insert" the various amended/house-rules in the relevant sections, identifiable.

That way we create a document based on the "official" published rules with all additional stuff recognizably included and use that as a basis to seek community agreement.

This sounds excellent! As a rather new player I am not too set in my ways and I think this could be an interesting way of trying to approach consensus. I played a game just last night where we tried some suggestions from the Germans that visited us last weekend. Worked pretty well in my opinion :)

Doing the layout like so:

Generic Rule:
basic/vanilla basic/vanilla basic/vanilla basic/vanilla basic/vanilla basic/vanilla basic/vanilla

[Swedish - this how they do it. this how they do it. this how they do it. this how they do it.)

[French - this how they do it. this how they do it. this how they do it. this how they do it.)

and so on...

That would be an interesting read at the least :)
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Re: LRB
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2014, 07:23:49 AM »
Ok, I do not want to sound negative, but hope it does not became a Babel Tower, so ambitious than once you read the document you do not know even the language that is speaking your opponent.

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2014, 08:56:59 AM »
First Things First. I would like to see a document with the vanila rules plus q&a included like the epic armagedon rules.

I can make a Collection of House rules. And we see how large the difference realy is.

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