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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #150 on: September 21, 2009, 11:30:07 PM »
I think they look great, 'The Death' is rather imposing! As for the banner I think I'd go with black to make the hourglass stand out better.

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« Reply #151 on: September 21, 2009, 11:46:31 PM »

The four horsemen are: War, Death, Time, and the four guy I am not sure if it is Pestilence or Famine. Do you know the correct names of them?


Isn't it: War, Death, Pestilence and Famine? I don't remember time being mentioned anywhere, but then my theology and knowledge of superstition can generally be described as 'derisive', and certainly not any more in-depth than reading Terry Pratchett or the odd fantasy novel, RP book, etc...

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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #152 on: September 22, 2009, 01:52:37 AM »
jchaos79: Cool idea for your undead heroes.  

mspaetauf:  The castle was made by a guy in the US.  His web store,  Kilroy Ind Ltd has been down for a while and I don't know that he is producing them any more.
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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #153 on: September 22, 2009, 10:14:49 AM »
pw: banner going to dark. check.

Stomm: I will rename the 4 horsemen.

Rolgan: here it is the grass that I use for basing. Sorry for the dealy.



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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #154 on: September 22, 2009, 11:27:19 AM »
Greetings!

Apologies for the late update. I had some problems with uploading new pictures. I used the opportunity in the week 2 to finish my second unit of spearelves so I could move towards more exciting parts of the project quicker. Here is the picture of the second unit:



Nothing new, with an exception of the command group. I like the idea of a commander on steed in the infantry unit. I wish I had more of these. I also tried to paint the rune on standard with no mettalic colours, the way I do it for warhammer miniatures, but it looks darker than I wanted.

This week I am painting my first reaver unit ever. The miniatures are great and detailed but I still try to paint them to match the overall scheme.

As to the work of others I am constantly impressed by your painting skills! Keep the good work coming! I really like all of the miniatures presented so it is a little bit difficult for me to discuss the way they are painted in more details.

Cheers! :)

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« Reply #155 on: September 22, 2009, 11:41:44 AM »
@Swordmaster: I'm getting very jealous of all of you who have got your rank and file painted, I got distracted from painting them almost immediately! I think they're looking really nice so far. I'm particularly impressed with all the freehand runes! I wonder if a thin black wash (50/50 water/Badab Black) on the spear tips might give them a little more definition. Similarly I'd be tempted to try a flesh wash over the faces to see what it looks like. Having said all of that, I think the picture is flattening the colours a little (they look a little overexposed).

And now a plea to everyone! Tonight I think I'll finish (and post) my first unit of Knights and I'm planning the second one. Looking through my box of toys I've got a fair number of this knight (he comes in the hero set behind the sword-wielding knight):



I think it'd be nice to have a whole unit of them to act as Inner Circle Reiksguard. So far I have enough for two bases so I'm looking for around four more. Does anyone have any spare to trade? I've got a few Empire heroes spare (mainly the knight that comes in front of this one!) and maybe some other stuff if there's something you need.

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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #156 on: September 22, 2009, 11:54:46 AM »
pw I need to checkmy Empire box, but it is more than possible that I have 1 o 2 of those figures to trade.

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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #157 on: September 22, 2009, 03:22:33 PM »
@pw
Thanks for suggestions! I totally agree that faces need something extra. I didn't like the effect I have got so far though, hence a little flat look. I will try to experiment furhter and might come back to spearelves as soon as I get it right. And I finnaly resuplied myslef with static grass so expect to see it on the bases too!

As to the picture itself I am still learning and I will try to find more time for additional trials with time exposure as well as with different light sources. By the way, how do you guys take your pictures? How many and how powerful bulbs for example do you think is absolutely necessary? Or do you prefer to wait for a nice and sunny day and use the natural light? Do you zoom as close to the miniatures as possible, or do not get that close and simply crop the image later with any software you are using? In any case I would like to learn how to take these photos properly and efficiently, so that they are as close to reality as possible. Thanks!

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« Reply #158 on: September 22, 2009, 04:01:40 PM »
I'm not the best photographer and my pictures so far on this forum have tended to be a little rushed. Nonetheless my process is:

1) I prefer natural light (although it's also important to avoid direct strong sunlight!)
2) If I can't wait for sunshine I use a daylight bulb which gives of a whiter light.
3) I use the macro setting on my camera and I don't zoom. I take pictures from about 30cms and crop the pictures once they're done.
4) I use a timer and a tripod (when I have time).
5) I use Photoshop Elements to tinker with the pictures a little. I'm not good at this and tend to just hit 'Auto Levels'.
6) Probably most importantly, I take about ten pictures for every one I use and bin all of the really awful ones!

I'm not sure I'm really the person to advise here and I'm looking reading everyone's advice too.


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« Reply #159 on: September 22, 2009, 05:23:51 PM »
Well I used to take pictures of my models by laying them on a flatbed scanner, but that thing got thrown away years ago...

These days I use my digital camera on macro setting (nothing flashy, not an SLR or anything...), and take the photo from literally a few inches away, obviously taking many, many photos for each shot and then keeping only the best.

For the actual 'set' for my photos, I lay the models on white printer paper, and have some curving up behind them. I then place my daylight bulb as close the the models as I can, facing it towards the white paper backing so that at least some of the light bounces back, and then take the photos in the direction that the bulb is pointing if at all possible. This is also in a room that is IIRC lit by 6-8 40W GU10 halogen directional spotlights on a dimmer switch. So when the lights are turned up, it is quite nice and bright.


An easier alternative to daylight bulbs are white fluorescent bulbs or tubes. They give of a whiter light that incandescent bulbs, and anyway in the EU at least 100W incandescent bulbs have now been banned IIRC...

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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #160 on: September 22, 2009, 05:40:34 PM »
By the way, how do you guys take your pictures? How many and how powerful bulbs for example do you think is absolutely necessary? Or do you prefer to wait for a nice and sunny day and use the natural light? Do you zoom as close to the miniatures as possible, or do not get that close and simply crop the image later with any software you are using? In any case I would like to learn how to take these photos properly and efficiently, so that they are as close to reality as possible. Thanks!



Maister.Petz makes great pics! he gave me some good advices about this issue http://www.sg.tacticalwargames.net/forum/index.php?topic=169.0

Here are some advices taking out of my experience:

- Put a bend sheet of paper. white sheet use to overexpose the photograph and the figures goes to be dark shadey, maybe a colour sheet could be better. The gold color used to be enhanced with a red background... I have never use this in figures, but in my work I used to take pics of golden objects and it works. Neutral grey is recommended. It is funny because I do not use it for taking my own figures pics, just take the pice of paper closer to me... too bad too lazy!

- Light is very important. The best: natural indirect light. If you only have artificial light, use white one, not the yellow dinner room light, or you should to enhance the blue colour with a software.

- The use of tripod and timer is highly recomended. pw uses. Again I only use it in my work, my pics are made at hand so the most of them are blur due to the vibration of my hand, not for focus. The less light you got, the more time the shutter had be open so the more probability the vibration causes a blur.

- Try to avoid flash. It "burns the figure colours, and make flat look.

- Always use Macro option. The figure should be in the center of the pic. All the compact cameras optics has geometric aberrations in the edges of the camara, so the edges do not get sharp. Forgot all you have about frame theory when shoot to a single unit for the gallery put it in the center of the image.

- Never use zoom. If you have tripod and timer you could use it. As much Zoom as much vibrations of your hand influence the pic. The point is get a sharp colour balance image. Nowdays the compact digitals cameras have good definition and lots of pixes, so you could enlarge and "cut" the figure with photoshop or something.

- Depth of field is so important in macros pics. Unfortunatly I only know how to manage it in the old reflex mechanical cameras, so I am lost in the "very-clever-automatic-robots-cameras". If it helps to increase the depth of field the shutter has to be close (not less than 5.6 or 8) so the velocity swiftness should go to long times (1/4 or 1/2 seconds).

Hope that helps or be useful! (in essence that is very close of what pw do)
But lets see how the rest make their pics!

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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #161 on: September 22, 2009, 09:06:37 PM »
Just to prove how little I know about photography, and more to the point just how little of my own advice I follow, here's a picture of my week three unit. Some knights photographed without natural light, without a tripod and without a timer:


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« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2009, 10:39:48 PM »
Just to prove how little I know about photography, and more to the point just how little of my own advice I follow, here's a picture of my week three unit. Some knights photographed without natural light, without a tripod and without a timer:


Ooh nice, the armour in particular has come out very well...

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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #163 on: September 23, 2009, 12:40:33 AM »
pw I like the black lances. And still fascinated with the red colour you got

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« Reply #164 on: September 23, 2009, 08:52:50 AM »
Thanks, I'm particularly pleased to hear that about the lances, it took me four attempts before I settled on black. Before that I tried red, dark brown, and light brown and none looked quite right. I might try red again on my Reiksguard when I track the figures down.

As for the red, it's Meister.Petz's recipe: Black undercoat, red gore basecoat, blood red highlight and it does work a treat. I think the highlights might look at little abrupt at any other scale (or genre) but for 10mm fantasy it seems perfect. Thanks again MP  :).