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Offline Rolgan

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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #180 on: September 29, 2009, 09:20:57 PM »
Okay, it's official I'm the guy who's not living up to the terms of the Tale.

I have painted and based one unit of Far Harad Half-Trolls that will either be used as ogres or trolls in my O & G list.  However, there has not been an hour of sun in the morning or when I manage to sneak in from work so photos will have to wait until the weather breaks.

I have another unit of wolf riders painted ( from 2 weeks ago), but not based.

I am starting to see the point in basing and priming them all at once, but I paint to paint and play so rarely that "gaming" is an after thought.  That being said an hour to two hours getting the basing right is probably not the most efficient use of my time.

So many updates and so many well painted models, it also makes me wonder why I spend so much time.

To answer pw, I suspect that depending on what I am painting (and whether or not basing time is included) it takes me a minimum of 6 hours to a maximum of 12 hours per unit.  I just wish the results justified the effort...

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« Reply #181 on: September 29, 2009, 11:19:33 PM »
@Rolgan - your time per unit sounds close to what I imagine mine to be. Having painted for somewhere between 3 and 4 hours I've almost got the base coats finished on two strips of infantry. Another hour and they'll be done!

Poor weather has also halted photography (and varnishing/basing) on my Crossbowmen. Hopefully I'll have them ready to show tomorrow if the weather improves. But the better news is that my Empire get to take to the field of battle tomorrow against a friend's Dwarf army. 1700 points each and I've come up with a doubtless dreadful list which contains a bit of everything I fancy trying out. Having been given a really interesting set of suggestions on another thread here I decided that the best thing to do is to come up with my own army (it looks like there isn't an obvious 'cookie cutter' build unless it's going heavy on cavalry). I'll try to post a brief report once we've played.

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« Reply #182 on: September 30, 2009, 03:18:26 AM »
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Okay, it's official I'm the guy who's not living up to the terms of the Tale.

Well don't feel bad, you aren't alone, my week three contribution is a couple days late.  Let's hope this is a forgiving crowd.   :-[  Now if I can just get back on track for week 4 and onward.

Up this week, something other than halberdiers.  The Flagellants of the Red Redemption have whipped themselves into a frenzy and have joined the forces of Ostland.   These were a lot of fun to paint, so much detail, I love the fish hanging from one of the flagellants belt. 




It has been discussed about banners and unit markings to keep track of which stands belong to which unit.  I use small dots painted on the backs of the stands to mark the different units.  I started using that system for my Epic armies and carried it over to Warmaster.  Seems to work well to figure out who is with what unit.  
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« Reply #183 on: September 30, 2009, 09:10:16 AM »
Just realised I haven't replied to anyone's recent posts...

JChaos79: Oddly enough I think that the blue showing through the red on that banner looks very striking and rather effective. Was it a happy accident or intentional?

Swordmaster: I really would like to see your HE's up-close, I suspect that your photos still aren't doing them full justice. And on the subject of photos, the camera needs to be in between the light source and the target, otherwise you get what I think you have in your latest picture of Reavers which is a backlit photo, so a lot of the detail is lost as it just isn't lit...

azrael71: Do you do anything other than eat, sleep work and paint? Your output is quite simply astounding, and of a decent quality as well to boot... I wonder how we;; you'd cope with a HE army to paint though ;)

Pugwash: Very nice, have you thought of alternating turban and feather colours to differentiate units though? Whilst having the whole army looking exactly the same has a real visual 'punch' on the tabletop, it is a real pain in the backside when you've got a messy combat to sort out... Oh and I think that you've nailed the basing, just that little bit of sun-scorched grass flock just adds a bit of a different texture and interest to you base.

jchaos79: (again!), very nice, have you ever heard of the 'E Formation'? Its a very effective way of maximising the firepower of four units of archers. It can be quite deadly when used appropriately...

Rolgan: Don't worry, I've painted even less than you. I think so far only Lex hasn't shown any progress pictures of any kind really, but then he is 'on the road' so to speak... My excuse take the form of two little rug-rats and a wife that gets up for work at 5:30am. Needless to say she wasn't too pleased when I came to bed at about 1:20am after a painting session. I lost track of time and I was determined to finish the figure I was painting.

m4jumbo: Very nice, do you intend to paint each unit of flagellants radically differently? I've got one finished for my own Empire army and I'm still deciding how I'd like to paint my 2nd, if and when I ever get around to even gluing them to their base, or a coffee stirrer...



As to my own contribution for the week. Well, none so far, I'm not sure where the wife has put the camera. I've been painting little bits of units here and there, for example I drybrushed, inked and then did a final light drybrush to the armour areas on two coffee stirrers worth of legionaries (that's around four stands), painted the unit stand id numbers on the underside of some of my Empire Crossbowmen, painted the hands and faces of one of my stands of crossbowmen and then spent much of my time finishing the legionary model on one of my character stands.

I've now finished that single model, but now have to tackle the horse and rider that represents the actual leader himself. I've noticed that there is a nasty mould line that runs right through his face, so it's going to be tricky to compensate for that... Anyway, since we all seem to be talking about how many painting hours it takes to finish a stand, etc... I'll just chip in by saying that this one single figure has taken me at least three, maybe four hours of painting time to complete. Obviously some of that time might include taking time and therefore doing other painting whilst an ink wash dries (incidentally the new GW inks are IMHO bloody brilliant. They really help to neaten up drybrushed armour at this scale, not an easy task at all...), but the shield design alone must have taken at least an hour, if you take into account trying to get an even white from a black undercoat...
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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #184 on: September 30, 2009, 10:16:33 AM »
JChaos79: Oddly enough I think that the blue showing through the red on that banner looks very striking and rather effective. Was it a happy accident or intentional?
jchaos79: (again!), very nice, have you ever heard of the 'E Formation'? Its a very effective way of maximising the firepower of four units of archers. It can be quite deadly when used appropriately...

Thanks stomm, the blue was intentional, but induced by the first colour I gave the banner: light blue with those blue electic "rays". Then I repaint it again and decide to leave the dark blue lines.

About E formation I know is a sort of tricky-wierd way of making an archer brigade to get a lot of dice attack. And these formation do not break any rule. I have read something about it in this forum, I never use it, it doesnt seem to me with historical/fantasy flavour.

M4jumbo: those flagellant looks really good, men! Do you use Andrea Colours?



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Re: Tale of Warmaster Painters... [SEPTEMBER THREAD]
« Reply #185 on: September 30, 2009, 01:39:01 PM »
@jchaos79 - I like the skeletons.  Very nice!

@m4jumbo - Wow!  Your flagies came out really, really good!  You did a lot more detail on yours than I did on mine, and particular kudos of the tiny writing!

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how long does it take you to paint a stand of infantry (a single base)?

For me it depends.  Often I'm working on several different painting projects, which means the warmaster guys take much longer, but at the moment I'm working only on the Araby.  The next thing is having a scheme I'm happy with.  My Dark Elf infantry have languished for ages because I can't get a shield design I'm happy with.  With the Araby and Empire troops, however, I found a simplish scheme I'm happy with so it's all go.  I'd usually be painting 2 units at a time when doing the block colours which takes a bit of time.  The finer detail is more rewarding and my rate slows a little, but then I'm also motivated to get them based and 'signed off'.  To answer the question, and break down my current work rate, I'd say about 2 evenings work per stand, once I have a scheme I'm happy with.
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« Reply #186 on: September 30, 2009, 03:17:32 PM »
I don't know why but knowing that 2 evenings per stand isn't too ridiculous makes me feel better! I'm also massively inspired by all that's going on here, it's quite surreal to think that there are a bunch of guys I've never met who are also sitting painting of an evening. It's a shame we can't all meet up for a cup of tea, some cake and an evening of painting/gaming. Hopefully I'll get to the Winter Warmer in January and will catchh up with some of you there.

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« Reply #187 on: September 30, 2009, 03:34:24 PM »
I think everyone is doing sterling work on their respective projects.
@Swordmaster - I am liking those reavers, I do like HE's.
@JChaos - the banners are great.
@Pugwash - Please stop with the araby, I am trying my utmost to resist ;)
@M4Jumbo - Again great banners, these make a big difference to a unit/army.
@pw - Those knights are sweet, the banner is outstanding.
I too struggled to do any painting last week.
So to make amends here are 4 more units of botfa goblins





This weeks output.


@Stomm, yes I play loads of games of BB and spacehulk as well as a game of warmaster once a week.
In regards painting HE's how 7000 points worth sound ;)
To be honset they are some of my favourites to paint, might even take mine to the winter warmer :)
Here are some pics of them, amongst the first few armies I painted in 10mm.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93322
I have not included my pre-sundering purple and white ones :)
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« Reply #188 on: September 30, 2009, 04:41:14 PM »
 :o :o :o How on Earth do you paint so fast? Even pre-Harry (my son) I'd have struggled to find time to paint anywhere near as much as you're producing and the quality really is top notch.

Sounds like you're going to the WW? If you've been before can you give me any idea about the timings? I'll likely have to go down and back in a day by train unless I can get my friend to paint up his Dwarf army in time (and get him to drive) so a lateish start (after ten) would be needed.

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« Reply #189 on: September 30, 2009, 05:02:03 PM »
First match is around 9am and then 3 matches during the day, finish around 5.30pm.
It is a very light hearted affair and great fun.

As for speed, I blame magic wash ;)

Where abouts in the country are you based?

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« Reply #190 on: September 30, 2009, 05:03:50 PM »
Sounds like you're going to the WW? If you've been before can you give me any idea about the timings? I'll likely have to go down and back in a day by train unless I can get my friend to paint up his Dwarf army in time (and get him to drive) so a lateish start (after ten) would be needed.

Are you coming down from 'up-North' then? As if you (or anyone else) is planning on going up from the South, especially London then I'd be interesting in sharing a lift, driving, or whatever. A lift would be preferable, as the wife gets grumpy if I naff off for the day with the car...


Alternatively, going up the night before, meeting up for a few drinks and a curry and staying in a hotel for the night is always an option, budgets allowing of course. I'd have to sell more of my old figures on ebay to justify a hotel for a one day event...

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« Reply #191 on: September 30, 2009, 08:28:28 PM »
When painting the Flagellants and seeing the detail come out, I had to laugh at the ones with the open robes.  I didn't think that with all their wailing and doom saying they would have time to work on perfecting their 6 pack abs.  :D

Stomm:  For the remaining unit of Flagellants in this 2000 point block I haven't quite determined how I will paint it.  I may go with the same sort of thrown together look, mainly browns and greys for robes.  Two other options were to either go with a more red-centric scheme for a hard core Red Redemption unit, or to go with white robes but with a brown wash to give them a dirty dishevelled look.  Still debating.

JChaos79:  For paints I am using mainly Vallejo and some GW. 

azreal71: If 4 units of goblins is your version of struggling to do any painting last week, then I am truely embarassed at my glacially slow painting speed.   ;D  Very cool that you can crank out that many units so quickly and consistently.

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« Reply #192 on: September 30, 2009, 10:46:34 PM »
@Stomm & azrael71: I'll be heading down to Nottingham from Manchester (or near enough). I'd love to make a weekend of it but I gave a feeling that I'd be pushing my luck a bit if I tried that. The train might be doable, the first one gets into Nottingham at 9.02 so with a bit of luck and a friendly opponent/organiser I might be able to take part. If all else fails I'll have to paint up a Dwarf army for Paul in return for a lift!

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« Reply #193 on: October 01, 2009, 07:45:59 AM »
I can offer a lift from sheffield/rotherham.

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« Reply #194 on: October 01, 2009, 07:54:59 AM »
As an aside, Ryanair flys from quite a few airports in Spain to East Midlands Airport (which is about 1/2 an hour by bus from Nottingham, if that...)... You'd almost certainly have to stay in a hotel, maybe for two nights, but you'd get to see WHW if you haven't done so already, just about the closest thing to the 'holiest of holies' for wargamers ;)