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[unseelied]

Just to be sure I am understanding here.  You can have a 1400pt main fleet with 350pts of allies.  Optionally you can just have a 1750 fleet with no allies. 

[lordgoober]

Correct or anywhere in between.  However there will be 1 bonus battle point per game that will have to do with the allied flotilla (one with respect to the opponent's flotilla so if you don't have one they get that point)

We have made up a basic allies matrix chart in an excel spreadsheet that's on a different laptop of mine that I will try to get up here in the next day or so.

The basic gist of the chart will be a lot like the 6e 40k allies chart.  You will have Trusted,  Untrusted and Desperate Allies.

Trusted Allies will have Leadership as is normal for the allied fleet.
Untrusted Allies will have a die roll -1 of leadership so will roll 1-5 on the chart.
Desperate Allies will have the 1-5 roll on the chart and then -1 on their leadership beyond that AND they will be subject to the Reserve Fleets rules as if you were fighting against Chaos in the rules in the Armada Book on page 29 of the dead tree copy.
Not Allowed:  This combination of fleets is not allowed. 

Not to worry.  Most fleets will have at least one option that is at least Untrusted with the exception of the Tyranids.

There is one clarification that will be made with respect to Tau working with Chaos and vice versa.  The Chaos contingent may NOT contain a Daemonship if you wish to have them allied with Tau.

[afterimagedan]

Nice work with the allies stuff! I like what you've done there with the allies chart and how leadership will look with the different relationships.

[unseelied]

Still seeking clarity.  . 
You can mix and match anything available to ally in the flotilla, don't  have to bring a cruiser but if you do its only one and 350 is the maximum.  You could have a tau fleet of 1400 with an imperial lite cruiser and six eldar hemlocks.  You can have say a chaos fleet of 1500pts with 5 de escorts
Could you take Xenos escorts as your flotilla with out any rogue trader ships?

[lordgoober]

That is correct.  We're looking to spice things up this year as GW has killed the support for the system (as if it's been there for the past half-decade anyway) so we need to keep our interest up.

[unseelied]

Sounds interesting.  I can't, off the top of my head, think of any really broken combos like 40k has at the moment.  Not at that point level with the restrictions.  A flotila of eldar will be annoying in anyone's list as they snipe your flanks but I don't think they will be unstopable.  Thats the worst I can think of. 

[lordgoober]

The main thing to say right now before anyone gets stuff started.  No fleet may take any Tyranid ships as part of an allied contingent. 

[unseelied]

I thought of something broken.  Its not the allies rule that does it but its the bump up to 1750.
Necrons
tombship
tombship
cruiser
cruiser.
Thats 1550 so 200 left for allies.  I'd probabally just go for lt cruiser plus re-rolls and just kill everything rather than worry about mission objectives.

[RaptorEvolved]

Hi folks We been hard at work with the new allies matrix as follows,
 this is the NEW ALLIES MATRIX below. and update to how the allies matrix will work

Trusted Allies will have Leadership as is normal for the allied fleet.
Untrusted Allies will have a die roll -1 of leadership so will roll 1-5 on the chart.
Desperate Allies will have the 1-5 roll on the chart and then -1 on their leadership beyond that AND they will be subject to the Reserve Fleets rules as if you were fighting against Chaos in the rules in the Armada Book on page 29 of the dead tree copy.
Not Allowed:  This combination of fleets is not allowed.

Most fleets will have at least one option that is at least Untrusted with the exception of the Tyranids.

There is one clarification that will be made with respect to Tau working with Chaos and vice versa.  The Chaos contingent may NOT contain a Daemonship if you wish to have them allied with Tau.

[Islacrusez]

I don't think AdMech and Ork should be allowed; I don't imagine the Machine Spirit would look very kindly upon it.

[Khar]

Out of sheer curiosity, how come Eldar and Dark Eldar have so bad standing? They're usually each others' most trusted allies (not trusted, mind you. They don't tend to trust anyone)... There are nearly none recorded large scale conflicts between them and several cases of mutual aid. It's not high and dark elf situation of 'worst enemies and total opposites'.
Their ways are different, but both see each other as only civilized people in the universe...
They're battle brothers in 40k chart for a reason...

[Islacrusez]

Also why do the Necrons trust the AdMech more than other Necrons? And why do the AdMech trust Necrons period?

[lordgoober]

On the necron and Ad mech side,  what is buried deep within Mars? 

Maybe we will change the Eldar/Dark Eldar split to untrusted. 

[Islacrusez]

Personally I think that's far more reason against than for And it still doesn't explain why necron:admech > necron:necron 

[horizon]

As much as I have bad feelings as about this, the new chart looks better but Corsair, Craftworld, Dark Eldar should be green green green!
Like Khar said.