ships from the book shadow point

[radu lykan]

finally got hold of a copy of gordon rennie's shadow point and now having read it i wondered if anybody had ever come up with rules for the majestic class battleship or the praetor class frigate? 

[Duke]

Never heard of it, though the Majestic sounds interesting. How would you describe it?

[radu lykan]

the majestic class battleship is described as an ancient battleship sized carrier
the praetor class frigate doesnt really have a description, just the name and the fact that it comes from
the ultima segmentum(iirc)
regarding the majestic getting rules of its own, considering all of the current variants of battleships with launch bays i was thinking maybe 2 launchbays per side and lances filling the remaining slot? is there another class other than nemesis/oberon/reprisal/emperor? this leaves 2 launchbays and 1 lance battery or 2 lance batteries and 1 launch bay.
in the book the majestic class is brought in to be the head quarters of an operation to purge a system of orks and sort of replace a dictator which leads me to believe it should have more launch bays than a dictator hence my going for the 2 launch bay option.
has any body ever read anything else by gw featuring these 2 classes?
if the praetor doesnt feature any where else then i have no idea what to do with it, possibly make it into a naval escort carrier built as such from th eground up rather than just a converted escort. also making escort carriers into a named class sounds so much better than reeling off escort carrier all the time.
any other ideas? maybe a new variant of escort?
whoa! started rambling there a bit

[Gothmog Lord of Balrogs]

The havoc class escort is suppossed to be close to the praetor, and they are both REALLY OLD. Maybe since the havoc is kinda the predecessor to the Sword, the praetor can by the predecessor to the Firestorm.

As for the Majestic, from what I remember in the book the plan was to pretty much abandon the vessel in system as more of a base than a warship, and it was pretty much equipped like a nemesis, but I may be confusing this with another story.

I suggest instead though 2LB and a Lance deck. Basically an Emperor with lances instead of WB.

Probably a good addition to ASC 2.0, you think?

[Bessemer]

Why not? It is a collection of odds and ends not in other lists. Only thing is the Imperial fleet is getting kind of bloated compared to other fleets, but then, isn't that always the case?

Want to move any further discussion to the ASC threads?

[Gothmog Lord of Balrogs]

I don't want to step on lykan's toes. If he wants to develop the ships here I am more than happy to participate and then import them in over to ASC. If not, I'd happily come up with something over in the other thread.

IN is Bloated, but the game is BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC. Not CRAFTWORLD ELDAR or TYRANID HIVE FLEETS, so I don't feel so bad about it. 40k is 1/2 Imperial almost. The game's protaganists are mankind. They should get the limelight.
Plus, as the most modular and varied, they are easiest to develop.

So it is up to you Lykan if you want to discuss it further here or not. Just let me know

[radu lykan]

Am without proper Internet til Monday so can't really get into an involved discussion til then but yes basically an emperor with lances is where I was heading with this and if you want to add it to the additional ships then go for it. Where does the snippet about the havoc and praetor being similar come from?

[Gothmog Lord of Balrogs]

Am without proper Internet til Monday so can't really get into an involved discussion til then but yes basically an emperor with lances is where I was heading with this and if you want to add it to the additional ships then go for it. Where does the snippet about the havoc and praetor being similar come from?

I got the bit about the Preator being similar from the description of the Havoc.

I'll add them to the ASC 2.0 for my next iteration of ships

[connahr]

in the last gaunts ghosts book theres a frigate that i've not heard of before, can't remeber the name but from what i can remeber its 1.5km long, seems to have launch bays (might be just be for shuttles and such), theres also mention of laser batteries (lances?) and regular weapons

[Armiger84]

Oh now I'm starting to remember that.  For a long time the Ghosts moved warzone to warzone on a frigate in the earlier books.  I'll have to go dig that out again.

Lasers don't neccesarily mean lances; iirc the entry for the Sword talks about an 85%+ readiness rate in its laser batteries due to the ease of working with their design.

[Gothmog Lord of Balrogs]

And Dan Abnett is kinda notorious for just making stuff up when it comes to space ships.

[connahr]

ah yeah i forgot about their earlier ship, theres not really anything specific about it i think

the one i'm on about is called an executioner (i think). it also mentions that its a particularly old ship, so maybe one that is kept as a reserve (it is considered an expendble ship for a suicide mission afterall)

[radu lykan]

its been ages since i read any gaunt books so i wont weigh in on that one.

for the majestic, should it simply be swapping the port and starboard weapons batteries for strength 2 lances or would it make it more distinctive if the dorsal weapons batteries were also changed to strength 2 lances? would give it 4 60cm lances plus 5 60cm weapons batteries, is this too much?

on the praetor, in shadow point it is described as a frigate, in the havoc blurb it is described as a destroyer, what would people rather see it as, a larger version of a cobra, i.e a frigate with torps or a smaller version of a firestorm, probably armed with nothing more than the lance? the havoc fluff relates it more to a falchion, also the pic of the havoc is remarkably similar to the infidel, how about the praetor becomes an infidel with minus 5cm speed and maybe an additional turret?

[Gothmog Lord of Balrogs]

its been ages since i read any gaunt books so i wont weigh in on that one.

for the majestic, should it simply be swapping the port and starboard weapons batteries for strength 2 lances or would it make it more distinctive if the dorsal weapons batteries were also changed to strength 2 lances? would give it 4 60cm lances plus 5 60cm weapons batteries, is this too much?

on the praetor, in shadow point it is described as a frigate, in the havoc blurb it is described as a destroyer, what would people rather see it as, a larger version of a cobra, i.e a frigate with torps or a smaller version of a firestorm, probably armed with nothing more than the lance? the havoc fluff relates it more to a falchion, also the pic of the havoc is remarkably similar to the infidel, how about the praetor becomes an infidel with minus 5cm speed and maybe an additional turret?

Since you said you had bad internent I went ahead and put a version of the Majestic in the ASC 2.0 IN thread. Basically the same as you did except 1 more lance (BB have 3 dorsal points). Discussion ongoing about it there.

As for the Praetor, I feel a frigate is more fitting (to match Shadow point) and we can fix the BFG:R description to match. I honestly feel that a pre-modern IN/Chaos style falcion is the best route to go, as it should look and fit with Chaos really AND the falcion design is really the only kind of design not covered AND that would leave torpedo destroyers (like the cobra and the viper) as a purely modern IN sort of invention.

[radu lykan]

am happy with the majestic as you have made it, i was going to go with 3 dorsal lances but thought it might be too powerful, especially at 60cm but if everyone is ok with that then so am i.

care to post some stats for your idea of the praetor? my poor mind is struggling to make some thing different yet balanced
am hoping to scratch a basic escort hull that i can easily change between a havoc, escort carrier and whatever the praetor ends up becoming, with all my panic buying i have basically added a 3rd battle group to my fleet and am going to need more escorts.
my brother in laws battle group has falchions, vipers and firestorms while mine is mostly cobras and swords, some different ships are def called for