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Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« on: May 18, 2013, 06:58:18 AM »
So I had an idea for an IN/Chaos Fleet Carrier in the form of a Grand Cruiser. Sure there is the Nemesis Fleet Carrier in the additional ships commendium, but I felt this was a very large and expensive platform, and the Jovian is just a support cruiser, not a full on fleet carrier. Plus, with 4 hardpoints, the GC is perfectly set up for this role.

I generated the basic form using the smotherman formula, but that seemed very undercosted, so I pumped it up a little, let me know what you think:

Annihilator Class Grand Cruiser


The Annihilator Class is quite possibly the earliest Imperial design of a fleet support vessel in existence. Few of these aging warships remain in service, and the few that do mostly find themselves on garrison duty, stationed at the far flung outposts of the Imperium. Given their age and typical remote posting, it comes as no surprise to fleet commands that several have gone missing and have since been sighted operating with piratical raiders and within the ranks of the Great Enemy.
On occassion however, Annihilators have been put to great use supporting explorator fleets and battlefleets alike, typically when the more common Emperor Battleships and Mars Battlecruisers are unavailable. Their vast launch bay capacity far exceeds any other known hull type, but leaves them greatly vulnerable at close range, requiring the vessels to rely on cruiser escorts for defence.
Battlefleet Agripinna has two such vessels, and both saw heavy fighting during the 13th Black Crusade. For majority of the conflict, they provided fighter cover for orbital defence platforms or ships of the line in the many fleet engagements of the war. Most famously, the two vessels, Eternity Grand and Saint Euphrati, were instrumental in the evacution of Imperial foces on Agrippina to the Naval Way Station at Aurent. The Battle of Ilthirium Belt saw the two ships, escorted only by a Dauntless Light Cruiser, the Cobra's of the 14th Destroyer Squadron and Firestorms of the Ilthirium Belt Patrol, face off against a Chaos fleet four times their size. Using the asteroid belt to their advantage, the smaller Imperial force launched wave after wave of attack craft, striking from deep within the maze of rock and ice. These tactics allowed the beleagured Imperial fleet to remain elusive to their enemies for three days and left five enemy escorts destroyed and at least one capital ship crippled. More importantly, their heroic efforts bought sufficient time for the remainder of Battlefleet Agrippina to arrive, forcing the Chaos fleet back long enough to complete the retreat from Agrippina.

Annihilator Class Grand Cruiser- 290
Type/Hits                 Speed Turns Shields Armour Turrets
Grand Cruiser/10    20cm    45*        3           5+          3

Armament   Range/Speed          Firepower/Strength  Fire Arc
Port LB        Fighters: 30cm            5 squadrons             -
                     Bombers: 20cm
                 (Assault Boats: 30cm)
Stbd LB       Fighters: 30cm            5 squadrons             -
                     Bombers: 20cm
                 (Assault Boats: 30cm)

Famous Ships: Eternity Grand, Saint Euphrati, Praetorian

Special Rules: For +10 points, the launch bays may take assault boats (as listed in the profile above). Annihilators are such rare vessels, only one may be taken in an Imperial/Chaos fleet.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2013, 07:04:27 AM by Gothmog Lord of Balrogs »
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2013, 07:25:59 AM »
 :P
Sorry for all the effort but I ain't fan of the concept. To many launch bays.

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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2013, 07:30:44 AM »
It would be hard to use but potentially very powerfull. It just also seemed the most logical platform for a fleet carrier, and chances are ships like this would have existed during the heresy.

Concept aside, you think the point cost and/or fluff are good?
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2013, 07:51:51 AM »
Got to say while I'm no fan of all LB ships, they do make an interesting game. Like you say, they are hard to use and need support, but the pay off can be well worth it! I personally like to see more unconventional types ply the void. Seems OK point wise, but why +10 for AB's? The emperor gets them at +5. Or was this deliberate?

Do like what you wrote about  these hanging around in asteroids and screwing over Chaos though (IN player here ;D). Kind of surprised Saint Euphraiti hasn't been used before ;)

All round, good effort
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2013, 08:20:51 AM »
It was intentionally +10. Sure it may be as strong as a wave that a Emperor can launch, but it can gain cover of fighters launched in the same wave, even launched to full effect, making them potentially much more effective. Should they just be +5 though, or should it be +10 and allow every LB to launch Assault Boats. I was mixed on it.
It is +5

I thought Saint Euphrati would be a nice choice. Not too surprised it wasn't taken, as the HH books were produced well after the BBB and Armada, the 2010 update being the only chance for it to appear.
I figured the first imperial saint was a logical choice for a ship so old. The ship would have been in existence long before most saints.
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2013, 04:06:57 PM »
How does this compare to the Styx?

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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2013, 04:13:35 PM »
How does this compare to the Styx?

Haven't playtested.

Got to say while I'm no fan of all LB ships, they do make an interesting game. Like you say, they are hard to use and need support, but the pay off can be well worth it! I personally like to see more unconventional types ply the void. Seems OK point wise, but why +10 for AB's? The emperor gets them at +5. Or was this deliberate?

I realise I was tired and kinda off my rocker with some rules last night. Should be +5
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2013, 04:52:43 PM »
It has a good back story and decent stats, maybe a bit low on strength for the fluff and the number of bays. I would bump it to 6 lb per side. Due to the relative rarity and strength some sort of restriction should be implemented, maybe even make it a unique vessel (no more than one may be fielded in a fleet).
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2013, 05:00:38 PM »
It has a good back story and decent stats, maybe a bit low on strength for the fluff and the number of bays. I would bump it to 6 lb per side. Due to the relative rarity and strength some sort of restriction should be implemented, maybe even make it a unique vessel (no more than one may be fielded in a fleet).

Would you raise the point cost? Keep in mind the Styx is 275.
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2013, 05:25:20 PM »
The Styx is 275 and overpriced. BFGR has it at 260.

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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2013, 05:34:39 PM »
The Styx is 275 and overpriced. BFGR has it at 260.

So would you go to S6 LBs on each side?
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2013, 06:52:42 PM »
yes

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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2013, 07:07:23 PM »
Done.

And should it be able to launch ABs out of every bay, or stick w/ just S3 each side?
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2013, 08:45:03 PM »
The Styx is 275 and overpriced. BFGR has it at 260.

Err...the Styx is 260 in 2010 too.
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Re: Imperial/Chaos Grand Cruiser Fleet Carrier Design
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2013, 09:18:33 PM »
Whoa! Twelve bays! Copy paste error I assume.  ::)

Liked the Styx at 290, found it great at 275, awesome at 260. And yes that last one is the 2010 prize.  :)