BFG:R Inquisition

[afterimagedan]

Anyone up for working on Inquisition? I suppose we can form a committee for that as well. I would love to grab some people and get it done, the little that it needs.

[AndrewChristlieb]

I think the main thing here is just cleaning up the document. Has anyone had any problems with this  list?

Blackship is pretty solid, the special rules on victory points and renown are my only complaints as some people don't use those.

Inq cruiser is also pretty solid.

GK are ok, they could use a page for their Battle barge as the blurb in there is a bit easy to overlook .

The rules for taking grey knights ships are both simple and yet vague, for that matter the entire fleet list is kind of a nightmare to read, even after reading through it a few times. If anything this would be the area I would think should be addressed.

[horizon]

Then lets have a look at it. 

[afterimagedan]

I have a list of issues. I can bring it up tomorrow. Do we want to do the Inquisition document through the forum or committee it first then bring it in like the Tyranid list?

[horizon]

Doesn't matter to me. 

[harec]

If I can help with anything you got me

[afterimagedan]

Ok, who is willing to commit some time over the next month to working on the Inquisition rules? 3 dedicated people worked the Tyranid list into shape in just over a month (if my memory serves me right). It can be more than 3 people, but I am committed to getting it done and playtesting for the next month+ to finish it.

[PST]

Prior to moving on to managing them, I was a reasonable editor for a number of years, so I'd be happy to do a proof and copyedit run through any of the BFG:R material if you wanted.

[afterimagedan]

Here we go, after tons of time working on this.......

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Recommended Revisions:

Inquisitors (this is really no different than it is now, just better organized)
Ld 9 Inquisitor
Ld10 Inquisitor Lord
-Inquisitor Lords belong to an Ordo. Chose one of the three Ordos that theor Lo Inquisitrd belongs to an apply the special rules that Ordo provides.

Blackship
-Blackship with an Inquisitor Lord is discouraged from upgrading because it cannot board. Instead, the Ordo Inquisitor should get a free reroll to mitigate the fact that it cannot use the boarding and H&R bonuses it is paying for. This would also represent the ability to utilize the psychic power of the Blackship.
-Blackship should not award renown for surviving because that only gives you the reward in campaigns. This should reward VPs if it survives. If it dies, the killer gets an extra 200vps (like it usually gives). If the Blackship survives uncrippled and not disengaged, it give the Inquisitor player 200vps.

Grey Knight Battle Barge needs its own page (I have already created it)

Inquisitorial Cruiser (now 270 pts with the following rules)
-1 Inquisitorial Cruiser allowed per 2 Grey Knight Strike Cruisers. (if a Rogue Trader can have multiple RT cruisers, surely an Inquisitor can get more than 1 Inquisitorial Cruiser considering an Inquisitor's authority...)

Ordos
All of the ordos have problems. First off, the Ordo Xenos offering Xenos fleets D6x50 pts of escorts is hilariously bad. That has to go. There should not be a roll like that that can tip the game so much before the game even starts. Also, since we don't use Holofields from the original Eldar, the Ordo Xenos bonus has to change. The Ordo Malleus isn't so bad. It may need some rebalancing because of point changes to Marks and Daemonships. Ordo Hereticus gets screwed.

Proposed Ordo Changes (making your admiral an Inquisitor Lord from one of the following Ordos will give you some options):
Ordo Hereticus
-Canoness Superior (secondary commander exactly like they are in the IN list). This is a Sisters of Battle Order head.
-May take any Imperial, Adeptus Mechanicus, or Space Marines ships based off of the restrictions on those fleets with no penalty. This is due to the Ordo Hereticus being called upon to monitor other Imperial organizations. This way, we don't need weird rules for taking Inquisitors in other fleets. It would be considered that Inquisitors used with Imperial or Space Marine fleets, etc., would be Ordo Hereticus, which I think is entirely fluffy Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos Inquisitor Lords are too busy leading the Grey Knights and the Deathwatch.

Ordo Malleus
-Brother-Captain (secondary commander exactly like they are in the IN list). This is a high ranking Grey Knight.
-Able to take Grey Knight Purifiers (functinon as Honor Guard) and Grey Knight Paladins (function as Terminators). These are the two orders of Grey Knights and I think that would be fluffy and fitting.
-Ordo Malleus ships are immune to the effects of Marks of Chaos. When fighting Chaos, the Chaos player may take 1 Mark of Chaos for free on any vessel of his choosing, within the rules restrictions per Ordo Malleus upgrade taken.

Ordo Xenos
-Watch Captain (secondary commander exactly like they are in the IN list)
-May take Deathwatch Kill-team (counts as Terminators). I think this is fitting and fluffy. Deathwatch = the best of the best.
-Any Hit and Runs caused by Space Marines in a fleet led by an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor Lord may roll twice and choose their result. Xenos fleets fighting a fleet let by an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor Lord may take another reroll on their admiral for free.
*all Ordos still have +2 to boarding, +1 to H&Rs, and -1 to H&Rs against it.

Refits
All Inquisitors should be able to purchase from a simple refit list. Consider the old BFG:R Inquisition fleet.

*The last page in the 2010 Inquisition document can be simplified greatly into quick bullet points. It doesn't need to be so dang big and bloated.
*I know that it is asking a lot, but I think the Grey Knight Strike Cruiser should be called an "Inquisition Strike Cruiser" because Grey Knights are only Ordo Malleus. Inquisition Strike Cruisers can be strike cruisers belonging to the Deathwatch as well.

[horizon]

Yes, that is list.

On the Blackship: 200vps win/loss addition. What is crippled and/or disengaged?

Ordos: I will shelve out my Inquisitor Rulebook.

Strike Cruiser name: good.

[Gothmog Lord of Balrogs]

Looking over myself, I feel you missed something: Inquisitorial Corvette. Most of the time, this is what shows up in books and fluff. Maybe used a ramped up Space Marine Escort- a Nova with 2 shields/turrets or more weapons. Or make it something big. A 4 HP light cruiser, 6+ save and fast. It is much less of a warship and more for extreme speed. BUT it isn't critical to the fleet.

Maybe the Adeptus Arbites Punisher Strike Cruiser can be placed in the Inquisition Fleet...

A cool unique thing for Blackships would be to have some sort of effect on any Tzeentch marked ships within a certain radius or to mitigate Tzeentch boarding actions and have stronger boarding actions against Tzeentch ships. This would be to represent their special complement of pariahs (ie Sisters of Silence).

[AndrewChristlieb]

You could make a 2 hit "Inquisitorial Corvette". I sort of like the idea of all the escorts types being completely backwards .

[afterimagedan]

Yes, that is list.

On the Blackship: 200vps win/loss addition. What is crippled and/or disengaged?

Ordos: I will shelve out my Inquisitor Rulebook.

Strike Cruiser name: good.

I think there should be an in-between mode for the blackship so that the 200vps doesn't just to to one player every game. That way, there is more on a middle ground for a draw. 200 toward either side just makes a draw less likely. Not the biggest fan of that.

I think the strike cruiser should just be called a neutral inquisition title because then, it could be a Grey knight strike cruiser, an adeptus sororitas, adeptus arbites, or deathwatch. That leaves it neutral. Plus, in think it would be best to just make it like the regular strike cruiser and without the Greg knight boarding stuff.

[afterimagedan]

Looking over myself, I feel you missed something: Inquisitorial Corvette. Most of the time, this is what shows up in books and fluff. Maybe used a ramped up Space Marine Escort- a Nova with 2 shields/turrets or more weapons. Or make it something big. A 4 HP light cruiser, 6+ save and fast. It is much less of a warship and more for extreme speed. BUT it isn't critical to the fleet.

Maybe the Adeptus Arbites Punisher Strike Cruiser can be placed in the Inquisition Fleet...

A cool unique thing for Blackships would be to have some sort of effect on any Tzeentch marked ships within a certain radius or to mitigate Tzeentch boarding actions and have stronger boarding actions against Tzeentch ships. This would be to represent their special complement of pariahs (ie Sisters of Silence).

In would be open to seeing a Corvette. That's Andrew's specialty. :-)

I think the Punisher strike cruiser can just be represented by the normal strike cruiser. We should write up a blurb for the inquisition strike cruiser to include this stuff.

[horizon]

An Inquisitor can about seize every vessel he wants. Many Inquisitors prefer small transport vessels instead of big warfare, or they just tell a Rogue Trader to 'lend' their ship, etc. I think we should incorporate that in a way. A speciality. Adding an Inq to other fleets while commanding a Cargo Vessel. Heh.