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Offline GlynG

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Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« on: May 01, 2013, 02:48:19 PM »
I'm toying with maybe buying a BFG fleet. I have very large Epic Armageddon armies, including several BFG craft and had eventually planned to get into BFG (I'd played a handful of times years ago) and perhaps collect all the fleets, but that'll never happen now. It's a terrible time financially but with the models ending and it being now or never I'm toying with buying a fleet anyway. It'd be a Minotaurs chapter fleet, an aggressive fleet based chapter from the latest FW Imperial Armour books, who nearly always fight together as a chapter, have lots of advanced/good kit (they're rumoured to have close links too the High Lords of Terra) and they specialise in annihilating fellow space marines who have been naughty.

Since I'll be including chapter matter Moloc in my epic army then for use in both gamers I want to include their flagship, the Daedalus Krata, a 'Heavy Assault Carrier'. I'm not clear what this is exactly (I haven't seen the latest IA Orpheus book which may or may not help) or how similar it is to a battle barge, but I may have one commision built and count it as one in game. Or possibly an Emperor class battlecruiser as venerable battle barge? Does anyone have any other suggestions or know any more about what a Heavy Assault Carrier' is from other BFG material?

I'm thinking of getting one of each of the 3 FW SM escort sets, plus 3 x Thunderhawk sets. I already have a GK strike cruiser (that I'll convert to regular SM) and I'm wavering over picking up 1-2 more regular SCs and a battle barge or leaving them for the moment and sourcing them on eBay in time in time instead.

Does that sound like a good basis for a decent fleet? I'd like to just about get to 1,500 points. I don't know the tactics for the game, or whether 1 each of 3 is a good number for the escorts (4 could be optimum for all I know or more of less escorts). The Minotaurs are a paranoidly independent crusading chapter so wouldn't have the option of the other Imperial ships with them.

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2013, 03:53:01 PM »
i say get what you want while you can.
get the barge, and the escorts along with the strike cruisers

alternatively i do like the idea of a custom barge to match that of the GK cruisers

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 05:52:55 PM »
I find it's absolutely mandatory to have a barge and 3 strike cruisers. I would jump on those fast!

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 06:11:16 PM »
The Spartan Games Kurak Alliance Tarakian Ganak Class Battleship
http://shop.spartangames.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=FAAT02

It actually makes for a fun base for a kitbash for an Inquisition Battleship / GW Battlebarge. It's a bit on the larger size but actually fits for the guys with the best stuff. I started one myself but had to stick it on the side burner as I have too much epic to burn through first.
As we Imperials say, "The Emperor [class battleship] Protects..."

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 06:56:47 AM »
yea a space marine is really fun to play with, and as Afterimagdan said you will want a battle barge in the list
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Offline GlynG

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2013, 05:47:14 AM »
Update - I bought the start of a fleet :-)

I ordered 2 types of FW SM escort (sadly Gladiuses sold out while I was wavering so if you have some of the FW ones I'm interested) and 3 packs of Thunderhawks.

I'll get the metals later (maybe secondhand) and add 3rd party bits for the prows and that.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2013, 05:52:23 AM by GlynG »

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 01:15:05 PM »
Sigh, those Grey Knight Strike Cruisers were awesome, and not to mention cheap too. Just about the only instance where a FW equivalent was actually cheaper than the GW one. (GBP 7 for a resin GKSC v GBP 12.30 for a metal SMSC). Too bad they're OOP now. I really would have wanted to get some, just because they were costed as such; but alas, it is not to be.

Meanwhile,

1x Battle Barge
3x Strike Cruisers
3x Nova Frigates (1x Blister)
4x Gladius Frigate (1x Blister)
4x Hunter Destroyer (1x Blister)

Should bring you up to 1350. Add the compulsory Master of the Fleet, Two Re-rolls and a Terminator Boarding Party and you'll be an even 1500. ;) That's if you want a pure Codex Astartes Fleet though. For versatility, I'll recommend an IN Cruiser or two though (1x Plastic Cruiser Box). The Armageddon Fleet list will let you play a mixed force quite well.

Good Hunting.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 01:20:06 PM by KILLFRENZY »

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 02:44:51 PM »
Thanks! Good to hear I can build a decent fleet though I'm a bit short of short of the escorts atm.

A mixed fleet might've been however the Minotaurs are a paranoid, isolationist chapter that doesn't cooperate well with other branches of the Imperium, so using an allied fleet with IN wouldn't really be appropriate.

I plan to convert some of my Thunderhawks (I'm not sure which proportion) to be Thunderhawk Annihilators and to use the Crusade list from BFGR (assuming my opponents accept these rules).

Edited to add: New thought - The Minotaurs are best buds with the High Lords of Terra and therefore well equipped with plentiful supplies of the best gear, particularly the sort to annihilate their favoured enemies (fellow space marines, not the chaos sort), in 40k that means a preference for power weapons, plasma and melta weapons.

I'm not sure what the BFG equivalent is - are any of the 3 SM escort ships better or worse than others in a game versus another Space Marine fleet? Same question re: the imperial Strike Cruiser upgrades. I'd like to field more anti-SM ships to theme the fleet properly.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 03:22:02 PM by GlynG »

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 03:42:32 PM »
I may draw a lot of flack for this, but I'd say don't bother getting into BFG at this point, unless you already have at least one or two people in your area that you can play with.

Look at it this way. If you're the only BFG player in your area, the clock is now ticking. Every day that goes by, it seems, another model becomes unavailable. Every day, it becomes harder and harder for you to convince someone else to buy a fleet so s/he can play with you. Eventually, they'll have to search through eBay, and that search can only get more arduous and more expensive from here on out.

That said, if there's already a BFG community near you, go for it! You might end up getting burned if your BFG-playing buddies move away (or die or something), but that's a risk you take when you get into any game.

Come on, folks. Let's call it. There are other good space games out there. It makes me sad, too, but... it's over, guys.

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 04:22:20 PM »
@ElectricPaladin: Yeah, I would agree with you on the point of actually getting games in. However, I also feel that the beauty of miniature games in general, is also the collecting/painting. And also, unlike MMOs for e.g., that they can be kept as display pieces and icons of nostalgia once their time is up. :)

Also, I kind of guess that our OP, at this point, has already bought in. So I think, might as well get a nice "complete", well-painted, well-rounded army up, and be truly satisfied with it. For now. I think it's much better to have than having a neglected half-army sitting somewhere gathering dust, not painted, not assembled. Without motivation to do anything because it's not "satisfying". I get that sometimes...and it's mainly because I'm not "feeling it", so to speak.

Who knows, BFG *might* be reduxed/outsourced, and we never know what will happen. But not to get anyone's hopes up, but it did happen with Battletech! :) Now I'm pulling out my Urbanmech Company for more 31st Century Combat.

Lastly, I suppose, one could always split one's force and/or if budget/time allows, get oneself an OpFor so that another person can play. Haha. Not that I'm encouraging it, but it's an option.

Regardless, BFG, I feel, is really distinct, with minis that really capture 40k, to me. And as for other space games, I'm not really feeling it. :)

As to Mr OP:
I suppose "Melta/Plasma" would probably come in the form of the good ol' Bombardment Cannons on your Strike Cruisers/Battle Barges. And "power weapons"? I suppose maybe Terminator Boarding Parties and Assault Boats...counter their formidable marine crews with more marines, and more powerful marines.

However, as an anti-Marine army in space, from a strategic point of view, if they are indeed planning for such contingencies, I think would entail countering the strengths of the Space Marine Fleet assets itself. The SM fleet is known for it's short range firepower, boarding actions and of course heavy armour.

Therefore, I'd think, load up on long range (Lance) weaponry, Torpedoes and Ordnance (Bombers), to keep them from utilising their strengths. This is usually found on the Escorts. But relying on them is a bit iffy. That's where the IN come into the picture.

In fact, it is also stated that the SM are "restricted" to such short-ranged transport-oriented ships to prevent any one Chapter from gathering too much power. And that good long-range ships of the line are restricted to the IN in order to ensure that as well. So that's where the case comes in for some good IN Cruisers like the Mars and Overlord. :)

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 04:44:02 PM »
I may draw a lot of flack for this, but I'd say don't bother getting into BFG at this point, unless you already have at least one or two people in your area that you can play with.

INCOMING FLACK.

Look at it this way. If you're the only BFG player in your area, the clock is now ticking. Every day that goes by, it seems, another model becomes unavailable. Every day, it becomes harder and harder for you to convince someone else to buy a fleet so s/he can play with you. Eventually, they'll have to search through eBay, and that search can only get more arduous and more expensive from here on out.

The one thing is, the clock isn't ticking. There are a whole bunch of beautiful space ship models around that are not by GW and nothing is ending the BFG rules or BFG lore. Heck, there are already people with fully painted fleets from alternate companies posting battle reports of their games! Don't fret; there is already a big effort to find stand-in miniatures for 40k ships. It's actually really refreshing to watch.

That said, if there's already a BFG community near you, go for it! You might end up getting burned if your BFG-playing buddies move away (or die or something), but that's a risk you take when you get into any game.

Come on, folks. Let's call it. There are other good space games out there. It makes me sad, too, but... it's over, guys.

I don't think it is. I was crushed by the bad news from GW too, but I have opened my eyes to see all the awesome proxy possibilities out there. I don't see a reason to say it's over!

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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2013, 05:05:21 PM »
I may draw a lot of flack for this, but I'd say don't bother getting into BFG at this point, unless you already have at least one or two people in your area that you can play with.

INCOMING FLACK.



noob question (from somebody whose mother tongue is not english): what does flack mean?  ;D
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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 06:27:51 PM »
Its actually flak. And it means generally bad criticism in this sense, its also anti aircraft fire.
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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2013, 06:44:46 PM »
Its actually flak. And it means generally bad criticism in this sense, its also anti aircraft fire.

oh okay, with flak i can work, that one i understand  :D

actually thought that this was what was meant, but just wanted to make sure  :)
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Re: Should I get into BFG and buy a SM fleet?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2013, 08:35:02 PM »
If someone can build a marine barge out of a motherboard then BFG will always remain alive. ;)