BFG:R Orks

[blekinge]

I think we can call them good enough. Make a pdf with all the changes posted since the last one (orks_2.pdf), just so we can review the combined ruleset.

There are a number of interesting rules we could try afterwards.
- Animosity could work.
- Something like 40k, where the boss beats on a boy to get a LD reroll
- Grot bombs in the form of torpedoes that can turn
and so on.

The Bad Moon Escort thing, was that resolved?

[AndrewChristlieb]

Actually something like Abbadon's re-roll rule would be cool for Orks.

[Khar]

"Ork vessel with a character on board that fails a re-roll may attempt to use another re-roll, but by doing so automatically inflicts one hit&run attack against itself"? Simpler that Chaos version, but I think it has to be - with lots of re-rolls and multiple characters we'd get Ork fleeet shooting at itself for half a battle

[blekinge]

Or we could keep the no reroll of a reroll. But perhaps as a nob ability. Rather than a local reroll he could give infinite local rerolls for hit&runs.  Or perhaps as the built in character reroll. So each character comes with this ability but no reroll. They can then buy two normal rerolls.

[AndrewChristlieb]

"Ork vessel with a character on board that fails a re-roll may attempt to use another re-roll, but by doing so automatically inflicts one hit&run attack against itself"? Simpler that Chaos version, but I think it has to be - with lots of re-rolls and multiple characters we'd get Ork fleeet shooting at itself for half a battle

Well... It would be fluffy for them to shoot each other more than anyone else...

[Gun_wun]

Any word on finishing up DA Boyz?  I don't mean to be a pest and I Know I haven't been a contributor;  I'm just waiting, watching and gots me grots crossed for some good loot.

[Bessemer]

Had chance have a quick look at the proposed changes, and a couple of thing caught my eye.

Turrets
Do they hit on 5+ against ALL ordnance that attacks that turn, or do normal rule apply (i.e. only vs one type per turn)? If the latter, that's a little harsh, even with extra turrets all round. The former does seem Orky though, lacking accuracy and co-ordination for sheer volume of cover!

Zzap guns
Str D3+2(Front mounted)/D3+1(side mounted) for cruisers/D3 for escorts?
Slamblaster aside, strengths as presented seem underwhelming to me, given the extra cost. If Zzap Gun spam is a concern how about a limit on the number ZG armed ships, rather than a surcharge. A ratio of 2 non ZG armed vessel/1 ZG armed vessel of each type? I.e. 2 cruisers to one with ZG, 8 escorts (any class) to allow a 4 with ZG's

Bad Moon escort upgrade
+20?

I know it's a little late in the game for input, and I'm not sure on what's been decided behind the scenes, but please take these as an outside observation. If any of these points have been worked on, please disregard as approriate

[Malika]

What about looted ships?

[Khar]

I'm a bad person and I don't know how deadlines work
Sorry for that.

However, next version attached. This time hopefully final. New things in green, optional things to consider in red (including simplified 'shooting each other' rule and looted ships.)

[Gun_wun]

Right on Kar, we've been waiting for this.  Thank you for yer time and work!

[Armiger84]

Awesome, thanks Khar!  This just replaced the morning newspaper : )

[Khar]

Thanks guys. A few words of explanation regarding newest changes:

I increased lance power of all cruisers to make the option more attractive, it's random, though, so if you're unlucky, you get exact same strength as original, weaker version But that's orks for you. However, I didn't give d3 lances to the Savage. Combined with potential re-roll from the Klan upgrade, the prospect of up to 30 lance shots coming out of escort squadron is horryfying. And it can instantly destroy braced battleship. Nothing should be able to do that. So in case of Savage, i just dropped lance cost 5 points. It's still solid escort now.

I also gave turrets ability to fire at every ordnance all the time as Bessemer suggested. Seemed fair, they only hit on 5+ anyway. Orky. Also, escorts got their +1 turret upgrade back, not sure why they lost it in the first place...

Rest of the changes is just things we agreed to earlier.

[afterimagedan]

Hey Khar,if you can get a comprehensive list done, I'll get the document made!

[Khar]

On it. Should be ready in a few hours.

[afterimagedan]

NICE. Thanks for all the work you are putting in, Khar. You're the man.