BFG:R Battlefleet Bakka: Gareox Prerogative and The Big Gun Lobby

[afterimagedan]

Where can we find the bulk of the lore for Corribra?

[BaronIveagh]

Planet Killer has some, though it has several 'More info coming in Planet Killer 2!!! (Which, IIRC, never happened)  However, in the article is a link to a site.  It's long gone, but via the magic of the internet archive...

http://web.archive.org/web/20030318055654/http://www.altsain.clara.net/corrfightingbattle.htm

[afterimagedan]

I'm game. It would be nice to work on that here.

[BaronIveagh]

A summery of the last known update of the Corribra list, formatted more or less the current manner.


Battleships:

Emperor
Retribution
0-1 Nemesis

Battlecruisers
Mars
Jovian
Overlord

Cruisers:
Tyrant
Gothic
Dictator
Lunar
Dominator

Dauntless
Siluria

Escorts:
Firestorm
Sword
Cobra

[afterimagedan]

I would consider the Exorcist, Dominion, Defiant, and some escort that's not one of the basics to throw in there. It would be nice to have this list be of a little different feel than the regular IN and at this point, it only seems like the Nemesis and the Jovian are the our of the ordinary ships. Also, considering the Bakka 2010 list's +5pts for the extra turret, I think we should add a +5pts for assault boats for the Corribra list. It seems weird to have so many gun ships in this list.

[horizon]

Hmm, Battlefleet Corriba could be a current build list.

But with the Gareox idea I was thinking more along the lines of something outside BFG:R. A separate article dealing with a historical* campaign between the big guns and the attack craft. Some scenarios tagged along. Would be really cool.

If you only read BFG published material the Gareox thing has never been retconned. 

[BaronIveagh]

If you only read BFG published material the Gareox thing has never been retconned. 

Still trying as hard as possible to forget IA X happened, eh?  (Not I blame you *looks at Maelstrom list.  Shivers*)

I would consider the Exorcist, Dominion, Defiant, and some escort that's not one of the basics to throw in there. It would be nice to have this list be of a little different feel than the regular IN and at this point, it only seems like the Nemesis and the Jovian are the our of the ordinary ships. Also, considering the Bakka 2010 list's +5pts for the extra turret, I think we should add a +5pts for assault boats for the Corribra list. It seems weird to have so many gun ships in this list.

Eh... the battleships can already take aboats though.  How about +5 pts for torp bombers?  (Instead of the current rule) It should definitely be an upgrade to the AC.

Dominion is sort of pointless with Mars already in there,  Exorcist I could sort of see.  Not really seeing Defiant though, Voss ships are still super rare outside of Segmentum Solar as of 800.M41. 

Styx as a Reserve?  Though again sort of pointless with Jovian in there...

We could put 2 str 1 lbs on a schismatic replacing its lances and call it the Goya class after  Horizon's expression looking at it's stats.  Or maybe the Munch?    j/k

[horizon]

The Dominion was seen as a replacement to the Mars, plus it was still of use to the bog gin lobby.

Jovian, who many were around and have been build actually? If we focus on bakka only one would be present. So from that pov there is place for the other carriers during that time period.

Only looking at the stats ia x was quite.... daring....

[BaronIveagh]

The Dominion was seen as a replacement to the Mars, plus it was still of use to the bog gin lobby.

Yeah, but if they have one they probably won't have the other.

And I think of them as the 'bog gin' lobby too.      Whenever I think of them, I think of them giving orders in General Duke from Starcraft's voice.

Jovian, who many were around and have been build actually? If we focus on bakka only one would be present. So from that pov there is place for the other carriers during that time period.

Yeah, but under official fluff 3 (IIRC) were built by the end of the Gothic War by Battlefleet Tempestus.  Since the Bakka list is post-Circe, we're talking post 800.M41 or 600-800 years after that.   Ultima was specifically mentioned as one of the early adopters of the Mars, which Jovian is a variant of, and the 'most' in the description of Styx implies that some battlefleets in Ultima may still use it, and the ones that do would certainly look at Jovian as a possible replacement.

Only looking at the stats ia x was quite.... daring....

That's not quite the word I'd use for it, but Nicor at least made it into my Armageddon fleet.

[afterimagedan]

Another reason I record,mend the Dominion to to try to shake this list up. This is looking too normal in my perception. In see nano reason to not have both mars and dominion. Styx doesn't sit right to me at this point, but I think the Exorcist would be a better addition between the two.

The problem with developing Corribra instead of Gareox is that we are already tied into fan fluff and precedent that doesn't seem right. This doesn't have the anchor of a 2010 list to juggle with so I think we should be more open to changing it up. Personally, I would see the mars dropped for the dominion, even if solely to give this fleet something other than every other IN fleet.

[Dragon Lord]

I tend to go along with Horizon's idea of having the Gareox list outside BFG:R as an article with historical scenarios, etc.  Partly because although I like the idea I am slightly skittish of going all out for an (official) very attack craft heavy Imperial Navy list, as it (for me) conflicts slightly with the Battle of Jutland era ethos of BFG, and particularly the Imperial Navy.

Dragon Lord

[afterimagedan]

I think the Gareox stuff would provide for a whole huge and awesome supplement. Let's go with bakka big gun style and Corribra then. Corribra would allow for the ships that will probably not be in Bakka so people can be less worried about losing ships they would like included.