BFG:R Vote 55: Chaos Lists

[afterimagedan]

Gothic Sector List: Same as BBB with updated points.

Black Crusade: All ships (including the named ships and BSFs and Planet Killer), all marks in one fleet, Abaddon, CSM on any capital ship (usual), Daemon ships, opposing chaos god marks may be taken if a warmaster is taken and given the Mark of Chaos Undivided.

-Mark of Chaos Undivided (25pts): May only be taken on a Lord or Warmaster. Once per game, the Lord or Warmaster may expend the Mark of Chaos Undivided and allow the entire fleet to use their leadership value for the rest of the player's turn.

Marks: "If a mark is taken, it may only be on 1 ship/squadron in the fleet per type. Chaos Marks may be taken on any capital ship but only 1 ship/squadron may take a mark of a specific Chaos God for the entire fleet.

Chaos Renegade List:
-All ships (no named or PK or BSFs)
-If the Warmaster's ship is given CSM, it is assumed he is a CSM. Strike Cruisers can now be taken 1/500pts and 0-1 Battle Barge can be taken is the Warmaster is a CSM.
-1 CSM per 750pts
-Marks only on Warmaster, Lords, and CSM.
Imperial Renegade Ships:
"For every 750pts in a Chaos fleet, you may purchase 0-6 Imperial Navy Escorts AND/OR 1 cruiser of up to 185 points from the Segmentum Obscurus Bastion Fleet or the Segmentum Solar Armageddon Sector Fleet lists. Imperial Navy escorts need not be in a single squadron and may be interspersed throughout other Chaos escort squadrons if desired. These vessels do not count as reserves. Renegade cruisers subtract 1 from their randomly determined leadership value."

Powers of Chaos Lists:
-same as they were except with updated costs
-Availability of taking fleet wide marks
-May take cheaper CSM on all ships (probably 25pts per ship instead of 35)
-Availability of the "Forces of Chaos" options

[AndrewChristlieb]

Marks: "If a mark is taken, it may only be on 1 ship/squadron in the fleet per type. Chaos Marks may be taken on any capital ship but only 1 ship/squadron may take a mark of a specific Chaos God for the entire fleet.

So I can only take one Mark of Khorne or Nurgle etc?

"For every 750pts in a Chaos fleet, you may purchase 0-6 Imperial Navy Escorts AND/OR 1 cruiser of up to 185 points from the Segmentum Obscurus Bastion Fleet or the Segmentum Solar Armageddon Sector Fleet lists. Imperial Navy escorts need not be in a single squadron and may be interspersed throughout other Chaos escort squadrons if desired. These vessels do not count as reserves. Renegade cruisers subtract 1 from their randomly determined leadership value."

Is it really necessary to limit this to Solar and Bastion lists? Its the same group of ships -Dauntless. Should it read "...and/or 1 Imperial cruiser..." to remove the Strike as an option?

-May take cheaper CSM on all ships (probably 25pts per ship instead of 35)

Since theyre getting the discounted CSM I dont think it should be an option.

[Brethren]

So I can only take one Mark of Khorne or Nurgle etc?

Exactly.

Is it really necessary to limit this to Solar and Bastion lists? Its the same group of ships -Dauntless. Should it read "...and/or 1 Imperial cruiser..." to remove the Strike as an option?

Last time I checked it was intended that you could use Space Marine Vessels as Renegades.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Theres a seperate entry for Strikes.

[afterimagedan]

Marks: "If a mark is taken, it may only be on 1 ship/squadron in the fleet per type. Chaos Marks may be taken on any capital ship but only 1 ship/squadron may take a mark of a specific Chaos God for the entire fleet.

So I can only take one Mark of Khorne or Nurgle etc?

Well, it would be 1 squadron containing each type of mark. I was also imagining a way where someone could have 2 Murders and a Hades all with marks of Nurgle. Maybe we could say something like "If a mark is taken, it may only be on 1 ship/squadron in the fleet per type." Multiple ships may have them same mark but they must be squadroned legally."

"For every 750pts in a Chaos fleet, you may purchase 0-6 Imperial Navy Escorts AND/OR 1 cruiser of up to 185 points from the Segmentum Obscurus Bastion Fleet or the Segmentum Solar Armageddon Sector Fleet lists. Imperial Navy escorts need not be in a single squadron and may be interspersed throughout other Chaos escort squadrons if desired. These vessels do not count as reserves. Renegade cruisers subtract 1 from their randomly determined leadership value."

Is it really necessary to limit this to Solar and Bastion lists? Its the same group of ships -Dauntless. Should it read "...and/or 1 Imperial cruiser..." to remove the Strike as an option?

It only has the strike cruiser option otherwise at 1/500pts IF they take a CSM warmaster. This allows from a non-CSM warmaster to have allied CSM involved in the fleet. Maybe it could be "0-6 Imperial Navy Escorts AND/OR 1 cruiser from Imperial Navy lists." This would be more simple but allow for a SC 1/750pts if you want to take that instead of regular IN cruisers.  Also, this wouldn't be limited to Dauntless.

-May take cheaper CSM on all ships (probably 25pts per ship instead of 35)

Since theyre getting the discounted CSM I dont think it should be an option.

If we force the option then there is no way to take a marked fleet without making it a marked CSM fleet. I think there should be the option to have non-CSM marked fleets also.

[Neferhet]

As noob as I am, if I may, i'd say my opinion
The new options for the lists as stated in the first post are very good. Simple, fluffy and rulewise quite optimal.
I'd love to see that finalized