I just disagree that there is any confusion and have offered some ways to help prevent against that.
That's not a very good way to look at it. Try putting yourself in a new players shoes and forcing yourself to think like they would. It's far more confusing than you believe.
Then why haven't you provided solutions for it in the Bakka thread? The average of 8 is what people tend to take, it still does not make your claim objective.
Erm... I believe that was the point of adding in the rule that ships with LB could only be taken via reserve rules in bakka. The rest of what you are saying makes little sense. An average is based on data data isn't subjective. If a fleet that is supposed to have aversion to AC ends up regularly taking the average of 8LB then there is something wrong. That's not subjective.
If you think this process is haphazard and "anything goes" then you don't have to be a part of it. Would you tell someone who is creating a mod for Skyrim that they are doing a disservice to the creators, even if they are making it haphazardly and making mistakes? We just disagree about the approach.
No, I don't have to be part of it. I do think the core idea is good and would like it to succeed. If I cared enough I might mention that they were making mistakes. If your approach is be haphazard and make mistakes then, yes, we do disagree with the approach.
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Ok then bring this up as an issue and we can discuss it. Problem is you haven't done that and instead complain that you don't like the way things are going. You have contributed to the changes in BFG:R a lot and we are grateful for that. You are pointing something out that you think is an issue, so use the system we are working with (discussioin leading to voting) and propose some changes. No one is stopping you.
I believe I've mentioned it a couple of times in the discussions and votes relating to the Victory. I didn't know we needed a separate thread to even talk about it.
BFG:R IS seperate from the core rules and fleets Vaaish!! I don't understand this in the slightest. You need to separate in your mind that BFG:R is NOT 2010 or GW rules, it is a fan made version of new ships and fleet lists. It does not need to be separated from the official ships that we have in the documents because the entirety of the BFG:R document in itself is unofficial and not mandatory to use in the slightest. It's like Book of Nemesis: totally unofficial and option. Why didn't you bring this up when Plaxor was doing what he was doing? He was going WAY beyond what we are doing here. And actually, the desire for more options is totally adequate if the majority agree that is will be a meaningful change to the game and something that will make things more fun overall, which includes balance, proper point costs, and upgrades that will be used.
Perhaps I didn't bring it up because I wasn't available to be part of those discussions at the time? I believe I've mentioned that several times.
Look, you aren't hurting anything by splitting this into two sections. One for core fixes to official ships and rules and one for completely fan made material. It makes it easier for new players to understand what's changed and it makes it easier for veteran players who might not want all the extra stuff to access what they need rather than scrolling through a larger document. It makes it more accessible and more accessible means that more people are likely to use it. Why wouldn't not want that?
My intent is not to discourage you in the least. I debated even posting the topic for a long while; I want this project to succeed, I really do. Take what I've said as observations about what isn't working in the process and do what you can to fix it. In the simplest terms, throw an extra step into the process. Instead of jumping right to discussions of what changes to make, start with discussions and votes on if changes are needed (needed is different than wanted) at all. Once that's been determined, then move into discussions on how to fix something. Think through use cases when options come up. Ask yourself under what circumstances would I use this option or will making this change invalidate peoples lists and collections.
As to a rules committee, we should speak to the HA and have them appoint fleet moderators for the available races to guide discussion and changes.