BFG:R Vote 45: Victory Class Battleship

[afterimagedan]

Please pick one of the 3 options for the Victory Battleship for Battlefleet Bakka:

Option 1 (Vaaish retracted option):
365
12 hits 20cm speed 4 shields 6+/5+ 4 turrets
P/S lances  4  60cm
P/S WB   6 60cm
Dorsal WBs  6  60cm
Nova cannon (-10pts to switch to 9 torps)

Option 2 (afterimagedan option):
365
12 hits 20cm speed 4 shields 6+/5+ 4 turrets
P/S lances  6  45cm
Dorsal WBs  9  60cm
Nova cannon (-10pts to switch to 9 torps)

Option 3 (original):
345
12 hits 20cm speed 4 shields 6+/5+ 4 turrets
P/S lances  4  60cm
Dorsal WBs  6  60cm
Nova cannon (-10pts to switch to 9 torps)

[Vaaish]

With the original on the table I'm retracting my version in favor of the original.  It's the first option. My belief is that we should only make changes that are absolutely necessary and I don't think this one makes the cut.

[Sigoroth]

The original isn't bad. At 335 pts you get a slow Desolator with 6+ prow armour. That's pretty decent.

[BaronIveagh]

The original isn't bad. At 335 pts you get a slow Desolator with 6+ prow armour. That's pretty decent.

Weirdly, for once we're in agreement

[afterimagedan]

I propose a merge:

355
12 hits 20cm speed 4 shields 6+/5+ 4 turrets
P/S lances  4  60cm
Dorsal WBs  9(!)  60cm
Nova cannon (-10pts to switch to 9 torps)
+10pts to change lances to 6@45cm(!)
-10pts to drop nova for torpedoes
(we could even make the dorsal 9wb upgrade from 6wb an option if you like)

[Vaaish]

That seems rather unnecessarily complicated. I maintain leaving the original.

[afterimagedan]

How complicated is it really? I mean, look at the Grand Cruisers and all their upgrades now. Two options is nothing.

[Vaaish]

Bad example. That's unnecessarily complicated as well. Doing it once doesn't justify doing it again.

[afterimagedan]

It does set a precedent for it to occur again. Totally fair example.

[afterimagedan]

I suppose you are also against all the Grand Cruiser changes, especially the Exorcist, the Mars, the Mercury, the Overlord, and the Tyrant, which all have 2 options? They are too complicated?

Anyways, looks like we are about 50/50 on this one so I'm trying to work out a compromise and middle ground. With this option, both sides can use their ship.

[BaronIveagh]

I suppose you are also against all the Grand Cruiser changes, especially the Exorcist, the Mars, the Mercury, the Overlord, and the Tyrant, which all have 2 options? They are too complicated?

In all fairness, only one of those is a Grand Cruiser. 

Relax.  I don't like some of the new Grand Cruiser changes myself.  But I sort of shrug and go 'eh'.

[afterimagedan]

My point is, all the Grand Cruisers have more than one option in BFG:R.

[BaronIveagh]

Eh.  The grand cruisers have always been oddballs though.

I like the Vic as is.  Unless you want to give her a +5cm Speed option.  I'd take that.

[afterimagedan]

Again, we have a 50/50 voting here. I am merely trying to compromise and have it so both groups can be happy with this at the mere cost of 1 more option to the ship. 

[Vaaish]

You forget that compromise means neither side is happy. If there is no consensus, leave it alone. That usually means that whatever changes being made are not needed and the ship is fine as is. I'd wager votes for the retribution changes had far more consensus than this round.