BFG:R: Terminus Est, Scion of Prospero, and Vengeful Spirit

[Brethren]

Scion of Prospero
I propose that we make it exactly like the current despoiler with the wb 9 instead of 10, same torpedo option, make the launch bays 9 line usual, and keep the same tzeentch stuff.

That would be 3 launch bays each on Port, Starboard and Prow. That's quite a heavy prow armament. I usually vote for the simple way... but here I'd propose a Str6 torpedo salvo, if we also set 3 bays on the prow.

All in all, take a Despoiler and...
... reduce P/S batteries to 9, raise launch bays to 3
... reduce prow launch bay to 3, add torpedoes str6

[afterimagedan]

I was saying no torpedoes on it with 9 lbs but you can do the -2 and add torps like the despoiler.

Hits 12 Speed 20cm 45* turns 4 shields 5+ armor 4 Turrets
P/S 9 wbs 60cm
F/L/R dorsal lances 3 60cm
P/S LBs 3 each
Prow LB 3

Option to -2 Prow LB to add +9 Torps.
MoT, Flagship (usual), Vortex of Chaos (usual), Vagaries of Fate (usual with new wording because of MoT)

-I think this is a non prow heavy option. You will either have 3 LBs or 1 LB and 9 Torps, way less than it was before.
-We could also keep the guns on this ship at 45cm. In that case, we should just drop the torpedoes on the original SoP profile and provide the Despoiler -2LB for 9torp option.

Either way, we should reconsider the point cost of the ship for whatever profile we end up with.

[AndrewChristlieb]

3 port launch (2 bays)
9 port weapons @60 (2 mounts)

:/ theres a problem there.   

How about:

~440 for points.

3 p/s launch
9 p/s weapons@45cm
3 prow launch
9 Dorsal weapons@60cm

Yea the prow is a smige less than the Despoiler but that ships pretty prow heavy anyway so no big loss. 9@45 is still high for one hard point but not as unbelievable as the 60's. oh and theres lots of 9's to appease the gods .

[afterimagedan]

3 port launch (2 bays)
9 port weapons @60 (2 mounts)

:/ theres a problem there.   

How about:

~440 for points.

3 p/s launch
9 p/s weapons@45cm
3 prow launch
9 Dorsal weapons@60cm

Yea the prow is a smige less than the Despoiler but that ships pretty prow heavy anyway so no big loss. 9@45 is still high for one hard point but not as unbelievable as the 60's. oh and theres lots of 9's to appease the gods .

Seems like all you did with the mount problem is decrease the range and call it fixed. Still seems like the same exact problem. Anyways, if the original 2010 ship can make that stretch, then I don't feel as bad making it.

I don't think the WBs change on the dorsal is really necessary. I think we should just keep it as lances.

Really, the only problem I am seeing with the 2010 profile is the heavy prow. If we just drop the torps and give it the Despoiler torpedo option, I think that solves the problem and I am starting to prefer it to any more drastic changes.

Here's another attempt, trying to be as minimal in changes as possible:
440pts
Hits 12 Speed 20cm 45* turns 4 shields 5+ armor 4 Turrets
P/S 9 wbs 45cm
F/L/R dorsal lances 4 45cm
P/S LBs 3 each
Prow LB 3

Option to -2 Prow LB to add +9 Torps.
MoT, Flagship (usual), Vortex of Chaos (usual), Vagaries of Fate (usual with new wording because of MoT)

[Sigoroth]

2 launch bays p/s/pr, 9 torps prow, 9WB@60cm broadside, 3L@60cm dorsal, no options for alternate weaponry (it's a character ship), Tzeentch stuff.

[AndrewChristlieb]

So a Dispoiler with less p/s weapons?

[Sigoroth]

So a Dispoiler with less p/s weapons?

With an extra torp and Tzeentch stuff.

[afterimagedan]

I can go for that but it would be a shame for it not to have lb9 anymore. If any ship has it it should be this ship.

[afterimagedan]

Alright, we are right at the end of things with Chaos and of course there is a lot of Bakka stuff going on.

Vengeful Spirit: Drop

Scion:
440pts
Hits 12 Speed 20cm 45* turns 4 shields 5+ armor 4 Turrets
P/S 9 wbs 45cm
F/L/R dorsal lances 4 45cm
P/S LBs 3 each
Prow LB 3
Option to -2 Prow LB to add +9 Torps.
MoT, Flagship (usual), Vortex of Chaos (usual), Vagaries of Fate (usual with new wording because of MoT)

Terminus Est:                       Pts:430pts
Battleship/13  Speed/20cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4
Port/Star Hives/14      60cm14wb@30cm
Port/Star Launch/2    Attack craft
Dorsal Lances/4        45cm L/F/R
Prow Lances/3           45cm F
Prow Launch/3          Attack craft
Special Rules:
- Mark of Nurgle (+1 hit, included above)
- Miasma of Pestilence (places 1 blast marker along its movement. incoming ordnance and AC counts as flying through a blast marker before attacks are rolled. bombers still subtract the ships turret value from their number of attacks.)
- Hives of Nurgle (enemy does not get right-shift for being within 15cm)
- Death Guard CSM
- Death Guard Terminators

Anyone? All we have left is this and the Daemon ships.

[afterimagedan]

I am going to put this up as a vote if there are no objections.

[Brethren]

I am going to put this up as a vote if there are no objections.

None from my corner. I'm quite happy here.