BFG:R: Terminus Est, Scion of Prospero, and Vengeful Spirit

[AndrewChristlieb]

Nope dont think its worth it, nor would I ever think its a good idea to try and get that close to any ship .

[horizon]

Getting under 15cm is battery galore. A favourable position in many occassions.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Of course its a good position but certainly not something I would want to focus my strategy around, I think anyone whos played Orks long enough knows that those heavy weapons are more incidental than we like .

[horizon]

Slaughters, Carnage's, murders, tyrants, dominators, dragonships, and more are great at this point. I think building your tactic around it can work.

[afterimagedan]

How much do holofields on the MMS eldar bigger ships cost?

[horizon]

Trial & Error. And I cannot give point values for specific parts.
I mean, the base was the msm costings, then you (sig did most of it in the beginning) rebuild it into MMS. You benchmark things versus Swords, Lunars (& Murder), etc. then throw lot of math into the cooking pot, then you playtest.

And I can say that the point costs in v1.9b are quite good.

[afterimagedan]

Nope dont think its worth it, nor would I ever think its a good idea to try and get that close to any ship .

Wow, we must have very different game styles... Most of our games end up that close and personal.

[AndrewChristlieb]

I guess theres a reason i like Tyrants and no one else does :/.

[Sigoroth]

I try to get into 15cm range of the enemy all the time. Not only is it good for Slaughters, Carnages, Dominators/Tyrants but also for the bigger ships, like Repulsives and Retributions. It can bite you in the bum, particularly with Eldar, if the enemy decides to go and blow up on you, but as a tactic it's well worth the risk. As for strategy, well I don't think it's necessarily true that you have to base your entire strategy around getting into 15cm range, for example I favour Carnages in my Chaos fleet as a great stand-off vessel. However, I think you have to factor into your strategy that the fight will end up in the 15cm range band and that not only should you be in a position to capitalise on this but against certain ships you should strive to bring it about. Against battleships for example, where long or even medium range sniping is rendered far less effective due to the number of shields they have. Again, Carnages serve Chaos well, being able to get close and unleash a devastating attack when there.

[afterimagedan]

Played a game recently where I played Khorne Chaos with a Relictor and all slaughters and a styx. When I finally got to the Admech ships into close range, it was disgusting how much damage a locked on close range Slaughter and Relictor can do.

[afterimagedan]

Sig, do you think this profile:

Terminus Est:                       Pts:430pts
Battleship/13  Speed/20cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4

Port/Star Hives/14      60cm14wb@30cm
Port/Star Launch/2    Attack craft
Dorsal Lances/4        45cm L/F/R
Prow Lances/3           45cm F
Prow Launch/3          Attack craft

Special Rules:
- Mark of Nurgle (+1 hit, included above)
- Miasma of Pestilence (places 1 blast marker along its movement. incoming ordnance and AC counts as flying through a blast marker before attacks are rolled. bombers still subtract the ships turret value from their number of attacks.)
- Hives of Nurgle (enemy does not get right-shift for being within 15cm)
- Death Guard CSM
- Death Guard Terminators

... take it and put it at 440pts. Would that be your recommendation?

[Brethren]

I can live with that profile. It certainly has its merits.
I'm kind of amused though, that (as with the original) the "more-powerful" Terminus' turns out cheaper than the "less-powerful" Despoiler class. 

[afterimagedan]

OK, let's hammer out the Scion then. 

[Sigoroth]

Sig, do you think this profile:

Terminus Est:                       Pts:430pts
Battleship/13  Speed/20cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4

Port/Star Hives/14      60cm14wb@30cm
Port/Star Launch/2    Attack craft
Dorsal Lances/4        45cm L/F/R
Prow Lances/3           45cm F
Prow Launch/3          Attack craft

Special Rules:
- Mark of Nurgle (+1 hit, included above)
- Miasma of Pestilence (places 1 blast marker along its movement. incoming ordnance and AC counts as flying through a blast marker before attacks are rolled. bombers still subtract the ships turret value from their number of attacks.)
- Hives of Nurgle (enemy does not get right-shift for being within 15cm)
- Death Guard CSM
- Death Guard Terminators

... take it and put it at 440pts. Would that be your recommendation?

What does the highlighted line mean?

[afterimagedan]

I think the 60cm text was not taken out on accident. It should be 30cm.

How about this...

Vengeful Spirit: Drop

Scion of Prospero
I propose that we make it exactly like the current despoiler with the wb 9 instead of 10, same torpedo option, make the launch bays 9 line usual, and keep the same tzeentch stuff.