BFG:R Battlefleet Bakka

[horizon]

what?

If it doesn't work, google: BFG additional ship compendium
(v1.4).

[BaronIveagh]

Horizon, last I checked, and it's been a while, the file you linked (the additional ships compendium) only gives ship stats, not the fleet lists and rules for those fleets.

Which is, I might add, sort of the problem we ran into before.  People have no idea what Bakka is, or even where to find a copy of the fleet list, but will tell you what it's 'supposed' to play like.  (Granted, it was an obscure 'unofficial' GW published list before FAQ 2010)


I will say I look forward to fixes for the 'official' Corribra and Maelstrom lists for FAQ 20xx.

[horizon]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/45668663/Battle-Fleet-Gothic-Magazine-02

Google Fu?
/ffs
Preview version, needs payment to get full doc.

[BaronIveagh]

Yeah, I sort of mentioned that pdfs of BFGM 02 (and several others) exist around the internet.

However, my point stands. 

[horizon]

Do you have those rules available? You played Bakka in a tournament setting. Perhaps you can scan/upload them?

[BaronIveagh]

.....

Technically that's illegal.  What I could do however is type it here in chat.  I think.

Ship Stats can be found in the additional ships compendium.

Original Version:

Rath was 250 points (LD 10, 3 rerolls) and any battleship he commanded could Come to New Heading (1500+ pts fleet required)

Battleships:
0-1 Emperor Class (Dominus Astera) [Rath was not required, but honestly I never used it)
Victory Class
Retribution Class

Battlecruisers:
Overlord class
Cardinal class Heavy Cruiser

Cruisers:

0-1 Daemon Slayer
0-2 Dictators
0-3 Lunars
0-3 Gothics
0-3 Dominators
0-3 Dauntless
0-2 Defender
0-2 Enforcer

Escorts:
Firestorm
Sword
Viper
Cobra


This iteration I tended to revolve around the light cruisers and escorts with the Cardinals and a Victory for punch.



In the 2002 annual, Rath's rules changed that he granted 2 free refits (1 ship 1 weapon) to the ship he commanded as opposed to annulling the Come to New Heading rule, and he had to command a battleship. 

Fleet Defense turrets were changed from being unique to the Defender to being an upgrade, str 1+5pts (any cruiser or escort)  str 2 +10pts (crusiers only)

The over all list changed to:


Battleships:
0-1 Emperor Class (Dominus Astera) [Rath was not required, but honestly I never used it)
Victory Class
Invincible Class Fast Battleship (as of BFGM issue 13)

Battlecruisers:
Overlord class
0-1 Avenger
0-1 Vengeance
0-1 Exorcist

0-12 Cruisers:

Dictator
Gothic
Dominator
Dauntless
Lunar
Endeavor (speed 25cm in this list)
0-3 Enforcer

Escorts:
Firestorm
Sword
Viper
Cobra

The Fast battleship slid into my fleet like a glove, as did the changes to FDTs, though I missed Rath's come to new heading change.   However, I will say that another list I ran into at the time involved massed LBs from Enforcers, dictators, an Exorcist and the Dominus Astra.

[horizon]

Shizzles, cool, thanks.


Now I remember something I posted:

http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=1225.0

[BaronIveagh]

Yeah, the Invincible works a hell of a lot better when you can screen it effectively or use it as a fast punch on the  flank. 

The Vic in the scenario just doesn't make good enough cover.

[afterimagedan]

We seem to have 3 more things to vote on for Bakka.

1. Rath point value
2. Light Cruisers (they have higher turrets in Bakka)
3. Vanquisher

[BaronIveagh]

Which Rath?  There have been so many by this point.

If we're messing with the light cruisers turrets, I'd go back to the pre FAQ 2010 version of the Fleet Defense Turret rules.

[afterimagedan]

Hehe, the 2010 compendium one. We should reconsider him in light of a lot of the admiral changes in BFG:R, especially Abaddon which is now 150pts.

[BaronIveagh]

Yeah, if Abby is that low, Rath needs to either drop in price of go back to giving two random upgrades.

The ability to take Dominus Astra isn't worth the cost.

Personal opinion again:  Current Bakka (FAQ 2010) needs to be tossed.  The radical changes that were made to it in the same of more IN sameness pretty much ruined the 'flavor'.

I propose a vote of whether to pitch Bakka as stands and start over.

[afterimagedan]

Any second that?

[Talos]

It certainly has merit. Screw it, i'm in. 

[horizon]

Another thread of countless pages of "like"  vs "dislike"?

Sure, as long as everyone behaves.

(I think the FAQ2010 list has more interesting options (but is not flawless) that what BaronI posted from the old style).