BFG:R Vote 40: Relictor and Desecrator Stats/Cost

[afterimagedan]

Relictor:
-300pts
-Dorsal weapon batteries change to strength 8.

Desecrator:
-365pts
-new stats: Port/Starboard Lances range 45cm str 4, Dorsal weapon batteries range 60cm str 8, Pwor torpedoes imperial and boarding str 9, Port/Starboard launch bays 2 squadrons each. (these stats are the current stats in the Chaos Fleets document at the time this was posted).

[Seahawk]

8 dorsal lances, ew. Equivalent to a blackstone for less than half the cost, it should not be!

Also, the SM fortress monastery is spelled wrong in the PDF.

[afterimagedan]

8 dorsal lances, ew. Equivalent to a blackstone for less than half the cost, it should not be!

Also, the SM fortress monastery is spelled wrong in the PDF.

OUCH, I mean weapon batteries. FIXED! Thanks for the heads up on the FM. I will change that.

[afterimagedan]

Fixed.

[horizon]

What's the speed of both? Turrets?

[AndrewChristlieb]

Theyre both 25cm, 4 turrets.

Relictor: setup exactly as per the Conqueror - CSM and Khorne.

Battleship/12  Speed/25cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4

Port/Star Weapons/12 30cm
Port/Star Lances/3 30cm
Dorsal Weapons/8 45cm
Prow Torpedoes/9 30cm

300 points seems reasonable for this.

Desecrator:

Battleship/12  Speed/25cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4

Port/Star Launch/2 Attack craft
Port/Star Lances/4 45cm
Dorsal Weapons/8 60cm
Prow Torpedoes/9 30cm

This just feels wrong at 365, its a fast attack carrier with enough long range power to match a heavy cruiser and with battleship durablilty.

[afterimagedan]

Theyre both 25cm, 4 turrets.

wow nevermind I need more wine. Re-reading.

Hehe, saw the earlier post. I was thinking "Man, he really needs more wine."

[afterimagedan]

What's the speed of both? Turrets?

Sorry about that!  The states are in the BFG:R document HERE.

They should be how they will be if this vote passes. The points will need tweaking, depending.

[Sigoroth]

I very much dislike str 8 dorsal WBs. I think it should be 9, never 8. I also will never approve of the "combi-deck" design. So as far as I'm concerned the Relictor/Conqueror shouldn't exist, at least as they are. Reducing the lance strength to 2 (modelled with 2 WB hardpoints and 1 lance hardpoint) would be fine, or increasing it to 4 and reducing the WB str to 6 or 8 would also be fine (2 lance, 1 WB hardpoint).

[AndrewChristlieb]

So like this?

Relictor:

Battleship/12  Speed/25cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4

Port/Star Weapons/12 30cm
Port/Star Lances/2 30cm
Dorsal Weapons/9 45cm
Prow Torpedoes/9 30cm

I could get behind this at 300 too

Desecrator:

Battleship/12  Speed/25cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4

Port/Star Launch/2 Attack craft
Port/Star Lances/4 45cm
Dorsal Weapons/9 60cm
Prow Torpedoes/9 30cm

Im still not sure whats a good price for this, it seems like it should be high tho, higher than 365 anyway.

If those were the set stats the what would the Conq and WoS look like? Would they remain as they are (3 lance on the Conq and 3 launch on the WoS) or would they be modded to follow the base ships?

[Brethren]

Desecrator:

Battleship/12  Speed/25cm  Turns/45*  Shields/4  Armor/5+  Turrets/4

Port/Star Launch/2 Attack craft
Port/Star Lances/4 45cm
Dorsal Weapons/9 60cm
Prow Torpedoes/9 30cm

Im still not sure whats a good price for this, it seems like it should be high tho, higher than 365 anyway.

Even if 365 doesn't get it right, it shouldn't get any more expensive than 375pts.

By then the Despoiler class would be a much more attractive ship in comparison. In both variants (8 launch bays / 6 launch bays + 9 torpedoes) the Despoiler has only a slightly lower firepower, while having longer weapon ranges and more launch bays.

The only situation where the Desecrator could really show an increased firepower would be when you can lock-on both broadsides on enemys. When using only port or starboard you compare 4 Lances (45cm) + 9 WB (60cm) with 3 Lances (60cm) + 10 WB (60cm).

So the Desecrator should end up where the Despoiler would be without some of its launch bays. And since bays are expensive... we end up pretty much where we started. Somewhere between 365 and 375.

[Bessemer]

Changed vote to no, voted last night after a late shift and clicked the wrong one:S

The topside batteries at 8 when most others have 9 just doesn't fit, and the Relictor's weapon fit just seems a lot for 300.

The Desecrator seems ok to me tho. I see it as the Chaos counterpart of the Oberon and the costs of both are similar. adding in the extra speed and ordnance and I'm fine with 365.

Not a fan of the Smotherman, what would peoples opinion be on the Desecrators cost if not 365?

[horizon]

The 25cm speed is iffy for what they bring.

[afterimagedan]

Why don't we just make them the exact same stats of the character ship they are based off of without all the goodies that come with them?

[horizon]

How many battleships does Chaos have now?