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Offline ElectricPaladin

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My First Chaos
« on: January 13, 2013, 01:48:10 AM »
So, I got some Chaos at a flea market. It's just a bunch of frigates, but it's given me the idea that I should try building a Chaos army so I can demo the game to others. Here's my first attempt at a list.

1k Points
ʉۢ Chaos Warmaster (Ld8, Mark of Khorne, Mark of Tzeentch)
ʉۢ Desolator-Class Battleship
ʉۢ Carnage-Class Cruiser
ʉۢ Slaughter-Class Cruiser
ʉۢ 3 Idolator-Class Raiders
ʉۢ 3 Infidel-Class Raiders

The idea is that the Desolator hangs back and uses its superior range, while the Carnage takes the midfield, alongside the idolators, whose weapons batteries have enough range to back up the Carnage's. The Infidels follow the Slaughter, who rams itself right down the enemy's throat. With his mark of Khorne, I imagine my warmaster would ride in the Slaughter.

What do you think?
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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2013, 05:34:41 AM »
I believe your warmaster must be in the desolator by the rules. I'm not too sure about this list. It kind of calls for your fleet to divide. I find that dangerous.

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 06:14:29 AM »
I believe your warmaster must be in the desolator by the rules. I'm not too sure about this list. It kind of calls for your fleet to divide. I find that dangerous.

Looking at the rules, I always thought that your fleet kind of had to divide. It's almost impossible to build a list where everyone has the same ranges. I sort of thought the trick was to manipulate your ranges and arcs of fire - and your opponent's ranges and arcs of fire - to create optimum situations for you to deal more damage than them. By that logic, either you split your fleet into bands, or you accept that chunks of your fleet aren't going to be useful, or are only going to act as deterrents to your opponent getting to close, or, alternately, that you're going to put other parts of your list in more danger than they need to be in.

Then again, I haven't managed to actually freaking play this game yet. Deciding to pick up some more Chaos models, so I have a fleet a friend can use, is part of trying to fix that.

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 07:01:31 AM »
Yup, in the Chaos fleet the Warmaster must be on the biggest ship.

If you demo against your Imperial fleet you will need a carrier (Devestation).


Not necessarily divide. But let the Slaughters & Carnages make an inner circle with the Desolator & Devestation (per example) an outer circle. Or keep the Slaughter waiting with all the long range vessels until the enemy fleet is near and it can engage.

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2013, 07:03:48 AM »
Yup, in the Chaos fleet the Warmaster must be on the biggest ship.

If you demo against your Imperial fleet you will need a carrier (Devestation).


Not necessarily divide. But let the Slaughters & Carnages make an inner circle with the Desolator & Devestation (per example) an outer circle. Or keep the Slaughter waiting with all the long range vessels until the enemy fleet is near and it can engage.

That's what I was thinking - less "divided" and more "layered."

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2013, 03:34:58 PM »

Illegal I believe. You need 3 Cruisers/Heavy Cruisers/Grand Cruisers to field a battleship in the Chaos fleet.
 
In all honesty, I'm not sure a Battleship is really needed in a 1k Chaos fleet. Take a Devastation for some AC protection, and then pick all gun cruisers along with the escort squadrons. Carnage + Lance Murder's give you a great balance of WB with Lance armaments. If you want a down and dirty fleet, go with Slaughters. They close fast and hit hard, but you'll take a bloody nose in the process.

If you feel adventerous, try looking at the new cruisers and Battleships in the 2.0 update for Chaos. It has some interesting new ship options available there that have not been play tested much (from what I understand).

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 04:06:38 PM »
Illegal I believe. You need 3 Cruisers/Heavy Cruisers/Grand Cruisers to field a battleship in the Chaos fleet.

That's correct. Both my most recent lists are illegal, actually...

If you want a down and dirty fleet, go with Slaughters. They close fast and hit hard, but you'll take a bloody nose in the process.

That's what I was thinking. How about this for the 1k list?

1k
ʉۢ Warmaster (Ld9), Mark of Khorne
ʉۢ Styx-Class Heavy Cruiser
ʉۢ Slaughter-Class Cruiser
 â€¢ Slaughter-Class Cruiser
ʉۢ 3 Idolator Raiders
ʉۢ 3 Infidel Raiders

The slaughters can drive directly towards the enemy, flanked by the infidels. The styx can hang back a little, supported by the idolators, but with those ships and its khorne-marked warmaster, it doesn't much care about being closed with, either.

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 04:17:10 PM »
Having played imperial's extensively and chaos more recently, I can tell you this, my holy crusading friend: when you are playing imperials, you are a shit ton more clustered. Your ships have lots of battery/lance AC/torpedo synergy and benefit from staying close due to both that and your short range. You can extend a bit, more like a curtain or more line like, depending on situation/your fleet/his fleet/preference, but unless you are playing against eldar your ships should almost never stray far from the pack.

When you play chaos you have somewhat more leeway, but your ships, despite the stronger attack value over the imperial equivalents, will die surprisingly fast if left unasisted. Due to the faster movement and longer range of chaotic ship guns, you can do things like pincers and flank strikes...but your ships will ideally always be within single move/shoot of each other, MAXIMUM. You would have to ask horizon for more info about using chaos escorts, I believe he has quite a few in his fleet. Infidels, if I recall?

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 04:19:18 PM »
Well id take all five of your infidels personally to take maximum advantage of the torp/bomber synergy with the styx. Drop the warmaster to ld 8 to cover that cost. Id also run the Stxy close behind the Slaughters to keep its ordinance in play and give people a bit of a pause with its boarding modifier, if your playing with the powers of chaos PDF (FAQ2010 version) the MoK also allows you to launch an additional D3 attack craft if your within ?20?cm but you have to reload immediatly when you can and may not launch the turn you reload. 

Warmaster (8, MoK) 70
Styx 260
Slaughter 165
Slaughter 165
Infidel (5) 200
Idolator (3) 135
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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 05:53:54 AM »
Actually, your initial list isn't far away from my regular renegade list:

Desolator
Styx
2x Carnage
Slaughter
6x Infidel
3x Iconoclast

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 06:19:29 AM »
Say, what about using the Daemonship rules in the Chaos Armada book? Are they cool, or beardy? Are they compatible with the ships in the older Gothic Sector list. What would you think about fielding the Styx as a daemonship? It seems like a good idea... after all, the Styx wants to get in close so it can unload all those fighters.

Alternately, I can drop the chaos lord and have both of my slaughters be daemonships. On the one hand, daemonships! On the other hand, slaughters are already so fast that making them deep striking ships (!!!) seems like a waste of points.

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 06:24:37 AM »
And on the other hand daemonships are expensive, sitting ducks and a waste.  ::)

imo that is.

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Re: My First Chaos
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 06:25:34 AM »
And on the other hand daemonships are expensive, sitting ducks and a waste.  ::)

imo that is.

That's a possibility, too.