BFG:R Adeptus Mechanicus

[horizon]

 Because Andrew and vaaish said so and I agree.
 

[afterimagedan]

Ok, no secondary commanders. Anyone else want to present how they think the gift pool should work? Again, no one seems to want to take a crack it it and give enough detail to get it done.

[Vaaish]

so what we are currently at on the gifts is this:

Each capital ship in your fleet grants you 1d6 to roll on the gifts table. A capital ship that rolls a 6 for leadership selects a single gift from the gifts table instead of rolling for a gift. These gifts form a pool from which the player must assign one gift to every eligible capital ship in your fleet.

[afterimagedan]

Any you willing to budge at all and give just one option to choose one (1) gift for a cost, besides the one the Archmagos gets and IF you roll a 6?  How much will Admech ships cost now compared to the IN ships now? I still highly favor Andrew's gift changes so rolling some of the current lesser gifts doesn't throw away some of the points you spent.

[afterimagedan]

Is there a fluff reason to have secondary commanders?

There's always someone running the ship.  Do you think the Admech doesn't have people commanding their cruisers?  I am fine with not having secondary commanders but I just needed to make this point.  And yes, even if secondary commanders were a way to pay for your choice of gifts, I would be in support of that, so long as their is a proper point value to it.

[Duke]

Well, it's already assumed that every vessel in BFG not carrying an Admiral or SC is captained- hell I'd even say that Chaos Lords/Warmasters don't technically captain their vessels personally, being more like owners (fluff-gods above bless me on this!), but the IN certainly has minor blokes you don't represent. We all know the historical function of Admiral is not that of Captain even on the same ship, so I'll safely assume that it is the case here.

An ADmech fleet is a rare occasion, it would seem they don't spontaneously assemble save under the express centralized goal of an ArchMagus.  As such secondary commanders aren't really necessary. And with the fleet as pricey as it is, I don't see them being chosen by players anyways. (Assuming the usual 25 pt upgrade a lesser character usually clocks in at).

-Pay for 2nd commanders, 2-3 times or bring another ship.
Would rather have an endeavor or a few Gladii (Gladiuses? ).


-Duke

[afterimagedan]

I am swayed on Admech not needing secondary commanders game-wise, I was merely saying that bringing up fluff as an argument against Admech having them is a bad argument.

I will return back to a previous post again:

"Any you willing to budge at all and give just one option to choose one (1) gift for a cost, besides the one the Archmagos gets and IF you roll a 6?  How much will Admech ships cost now compared to the IN ships now? I still highly favor Andrew's gift changes so rolling some of the current lesser gifts doesn't throw away some of the points you spent."

[horizon]

No change in point costs. The pick it freely pool plus choice from magos plus the six possibility improves the utility of upgrades by a nice margin.

[afterimagedan]

Again, "Any you willing to budge at all and give just one option to choose one (1) gift for a cost, besides the one the Archmagos gets and IF you roll a 6?"

[horizon]

Why? I see no reason to do so.

[afterimagedan]

Because a good chunk of people have spoken up for more choice in what gifts get to be applied to your ships, to put it simply.

[horizon]

Good, but with the pool the 'conservatists'  offered an option to gain more choice in what a ship gets.
Since it is a democracy most votes count, that is the bfg:r approach.

[afterimagedan]

Well, should we take a vote on it? How would we word it? First, should we vote to adopt the gift pool method?

[Bessemer]

Like this?

first vote- Choice or random

if choice, then vote for BFG-R as is, or Andrews version.

If random, then vote for original rules or the gift pool.

[afterimagedan]

I just put a poll up where you can vote for your two favorite options.  Good ideas Bessemer, it may come to that soon.