BFG:R Tau Empire

[AndrewChristlieb]

Well in light of the revision to the IN command structrue where do the Tau stack up? Previously they were 8/9 for 50/80 compared to 8/9/10 for 50/100/150. Now instead of being slightly cheaper theyre a bit more so where should sit now? Also how should their re-rolls be priced? Once this is done we can reevaluate the special commanders price.

[afterimagedan]

AndrewChristlieb and I propose this:

Tau Commander
Ld 8 50pts
Ld 9 70pts
-up to 2 RRs at 25pts each.

Still thinking about Mesme as well.

[Talos]

That pricing seems pretty good, slightly better than IN but slightly more dependent on it as well. If a ld 9 + 1RR is 95pts, then mesme might be just fine at 110pts.

[afterimagedan]

I think Mesme should be 135pts.

Ld9 is 70
2 RR is 50
Refit about 15

[AndrewChristlieb]

Ok I cannot find this special character... What are the stats for him?

[Talos]

Oh...I did not realise he had 2 rerolls ...that changes things

@AndrewChristlieb He is in the tau protection fleet document, in the first section just before the rules and ship profiles.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Ah gotcha. I think the rule as presented in te FAQ, 110pts for ld9 2 re-rolls and a crew skill plus an additional 10 for the refit, are quite adequate with the current leadership chart, maybe a bit low with the original.

[afterimagedan]

Since the tau votes seem like they will pass, should we put the vote up to finalize tau? If not, what changes are needed? I still have to integrate the changes into the pdf.

[Talos]

Well apparently some people are reconsidering 2 hit escorts ...If they have any final objection, now is probably a good time.

Also, the new defender vs. castlellan vote really messed things up since apparently everyone forgot that the defender has 2 hits, and is now way better than the castellan. That should probably be discussed, since part of the goal of BFG:R is to not have useless ships. Guarantee if you somtherman that stuff the defender will be considerably more expensive than its castellan counterpart.

[Bessemer]

IDK, the defender is really sluggish for an escort and it's voted stats mean it can't just sit back and lob out missiles
en masse any more and have to close to get the best out of them. that gives your opponents an extra turn to get his fleet in a position to counter them.

The castellan can not only do that but can chase stuff down as well, not to mention the benefits of tracking systems for it's batteries.

Don't forget that a 2-hit ship is still as vulnerable to H&R as other escorts.

[afterimagedan]

Actually' they aren't. They are half as vulnerable. The 2 hit escorts take a damage on a successful hit and run.

[Bessemer]

Actually' they aren't. They are half as vulnerable. The 2 hit escorts take a damage on a successful hit and run.

The extra damage is what I meant, poor choice of wording there

Are people really in that much of a tizz about the 2-hit thing? Or just the Defender? Would a return to it's original armament be preferred? Another price Increase? Or to drop 2-hits? If so, why did  people vote for it in the first place?! Sorry if this comes across as mad (I'm not , it just seems that we voted to take a step forward, now there may be vote to go back. But, that is what a forum is for.

What do people think?

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[afterimagedan]

What's voted on is what's voted on. If someone wants to call another vote for a change to a ship, they should mention it and I will start a  vote! We have tried 2 hit escorts a bit here and they work well. Its an extra dynamic to the game that I think makes for some interesting "new" ships.

[Bessemer]

I agree, that's why I voted for it!

but Talos does make a point, if people voted for the Defender's new stats thinking it had 1 hit, does that invalidate the result? if so, would another vote be in order? Sorry to bring it up but a choice made in error needs correction.

[horizon]

Ya, no 2 hits escors.
Defender with changed stats, and perhaps somewhat lessened pts.