Chaos Fleet Advice

[Talos]

Sorry to distract from the awesomeness that is BFG:R at the moment, but I want some second opinions on my chaos  ships that just came in. Here's what I'm thinking:

Terminus Est
2 x Murder Cruiser
2 x Carnage
1 x Hades Heavy Cruiser

As you probably all know IN is what I do, so to differentiate I thought I would try splitting up my fleet for once.

The idea is that the Terminus and his murder cronies and hades second in command can roll up the middle like a couple of pimps at a barmitzvah, firing their front lances until they get within range, then board. Hopefully they will then be within range of the terminus lances. Engage trollface.
The carnage's take flank with long range broadside battery support, lassooing stray enemies into getting within their closer batteries to escape the terminus.
I know it's not very good, but I love the Death Guard. LONG LIVE MORTARION! So I expect that unless my enemy is very torpedo light that he will be forced to launch fighters every turn, which I am fine with.

Or...
I am also considering replacing the hades with a with a hecate to go with the carnages, both for additional fire support and ordnance protection. Or keeping the hades and replacing one of the murders with an additional carnage on the flanking group, or is that oo much overkill. IMPORTANT NOTE: I would rather be know as the OVERKILL guy then the underkill guy if it matters.

CC and dan's tomatoes, engage.

[afterimagedan]

I think that's a pretty nice fleet. I really like the Hecate as well so I would consider that option, but, depending on your points, I would also consider upgrading the Hecate to a Styx. Currently, you have 1 carrier. They just have to get the Terminus to brace and then you may be in trouble.

Personally, if you are going for boarding, you will be trying to get close with your ships. I would consider dropping the Carnages for Slaughters.  Carnages won't be as much of a threat at longer ranges closing. I would rather throw 2 Slaughters at them and AAH. They now have to deal with some serious close ranged firepower flying at them quite quickly, or try to stop the long ranged lances from melting them down.

I like redundancy when it comes to Carnages or Murders. Either I go with Carnages/Acherons or Hades/Murders (and you will probably hear these combos on these thread for years back). Or, screw it, just go all Slaughters like I often do. That's probably too Khorne for you. Nurgle has Murder/Hades written all over it.

[horizon]

Dunno,
go chaotic and take a type of each variant (so no doubles ).

Murders & Carnages can combo but it is a downfall to the Carnage as it wants to go abeam a lot sooner.

I would replace the Murders (or Carnages) with Slaughters.


/and some escorts.

[Talos]

So youguys are leaning more towards
Est
2 slaughter (est escorts or second flank?)
2 Carnage + Styx (flank)
 
Hmmm...I don't really want to board all that much, more be like Death Guard in the fluff: implacable, withering firepower that only intensifies as you approach. So my personal preference is the following as the core:

Terminus Est (mother of all front facing lances and the close range punch of the fleet, also lots of defensive AC)
2 x Carnage (flank and general hammer to the est's anvil woot salamanders)

Thing is, I want at least a pair of cruisers to escort my battleship, but i'm completely open to what heavy cruiser to take. The only reason I prefer the Hecate to the Styx is the fact that I tend to prefer balanced ships. As for escorts, I have been told that Chaos doesn't really need them, and since I am  sucker for them with my IN I thought I would try something different. You will notice that my original list has a lot of points to fill in 1500pt game; I am waiting to see what we do with leaders/chaos marks before I decide how to fill them. I would like to give them all MoN but without BFG:R marks that is way too expensive and not very good.
 

[AndrewChristlieb]

I dont know any of the grand cruisers with prow torps would pair very well with the Est.

[afterimagedan]

That reminds me, I have to put that little blurb of the grand cruiser upgrades in the Chaos document like I have it in the IN document.

[horizon]

The only reason I prefer the Hecate to the Styx is the fact that I tend to prefer balanced ships.

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I played the Styx at 290pts, I played it even better at 275pts which I found reasonable, and at 260pts it is grand.

As for escorts, I have been told that Chaos doesn't really need them, and since I am  sucker for them with my IN I thought I would try something different.

My 1500pts chaos fleet has 9 escorts.
Small raiders in the fleet is a renegade style.

[afterimagedan]

I also really like Chaos escorts.

[Talos]

@ horizon I fear me and you are doomed to always suffer in the communication department, dear friend. By balanced I did not mean overpowered, I mean't the Hecate is more of a jack of trades and the Styx is more distinctly a long range support vessel.

And yeah, escorts = renegades in my book too. If I made my Night Lords fleet then I would have about thirty thousand slaughters backed up by twenty million iconoclasts and infidels.

[Talos]

Going to be building a despoiler BB as a terminus est; would people be okay if I modeled it with 2 launch bays a side, since it already has 3 launch per side, which is typically more than one component.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Id go for it, mostly because i think 2 launch would look stupid.

[ThaneAquilon]

I am officially Highjacking this thread! (mainly I want to make a thread about the same thing)

So I've tried making a fleet, and unfortunately it is 25 pts over 1500.

Here it is:
2x Devastations + Acheron
3x Slaughter
1x Vengeful Spirit (Either the Alpha, or the Phoenician)

While I'd like to keep the spirit of this fleet, does anyone have any alternate suggestions?

The plan was to have Devs and Ash flank, 45cm abeam and lance/bomb the hell out of everything, slaughters to cruise up the middle, and the Vengeful Spirit/Alpha/Phoenician taking the other flank, doing the same as the the devs+ash. I know the obvious choice is to deop the BB for a smaller one, but I really would like to have the flagship of a CSM legion (I will make the Scion of Prospero at some point...). The other posibilty is changing the Devs+ash, as at the moment I have 16 launch, but any 3-ship group would be more expensive, if they used a different heavy cruiser.

[Talos]

Depending which the ways the votes swing for costing, you could drop a carnage and add lots of CSM/Marks of Slaanesh/Commander upgrades and make the Phoenician the head of your very own emperor's children fleet. And you could also swap out the BB for the Wage of Sin instead. super good IMO (and arguably the strongest alongside the conqueror)

[ThaneAquilon]

By canrage do you mean Slaughter? My concern is that 2 Slaughters will get pupled too quickly in the middle of the formation. I can certianly try it out, though. I intend to make all of those (with the possible exception of the est) special BB, but I think the Vengeful Spirit will be my first, and it will either be The Alpha, or the Vengeful Spirit (Which should really be a unique named vessel, it was Horus' flagship!). Good call on the Wage of Sin, though.

[Talos]

I did mean slaughters, yes. I don't really feel that they are that fragile; they are have the same defensive stats as the other cruisers, after all. Wage of Sin is very simlar to despoiler with torpedo option, but more dangerous on the broadsides and with CSM and MOS thrown in for +30pts...which is a bargain. Not to mention it has +5cm speed, so it can keep up with the rest of the fleet.

Also, if I ever make a khorne berserker fleet, I will have a vessel called the CanRage .