BFG:R Imperial Navy

[Talos]

@Bessemer I agree that every fleet list should have a feel to it, a few combinations that just are not possible with other lists. But people seem to think that Bakka is questionably powerful, and Armageddon too apparently?

I do think the lists should be revised somewhat to account for the fact that many new ships were introduced since inception.

[horizon]

No problems with any list. Let all of them as is.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Bakka adds lots of cheap turrets AND really good carrier options...

Armageddon allows extra battlecruisers for no apparent downside...

[afterimagedan]

I would really like to wait on bakka personally.

Any consensus on the dauntless turret issue? there was a pretty nice thread on the older specialist games where some people had some good points about it having 2 turrets.

There are a lot of ideas going around about IN secondary commanders. Could someone (probably andrewchristlieb) make a statement like "I propose (insert change)" and we can tweak and vote?

[Talos]

It looks like the current proposal is as follows (for IN anyway), based on BFG:R and this discussion:

Ld 8 50pts
Ld 9 75pts
Ld 10 100pts

+1 Reroll 25pts
+2 Reroll 50pts
+3 Reroll 75pts

Secondary Commanders (Uncertain as to quantity, 0-3 maybe?)

25pts +1Ld/Ld 8 (tossup)
+1 Reroll 25pts

Does that sound like our current thing? Just modify from this list and then toss up the proposal.

[ThaneAquilon]

To add, fleet leaders come with 1 RR automatically

3 max for subs for sure.

I prefer +1 Ld, if only to put them on the Emperor   Also if you super lucksack it out, and get a fleet with 9s, you don't want to be penalized.

[Talos]

I think the wordings on fleet commanders should say; this value replaces only the usual rolled value; it is then modified as per normal, meaning that it can be boosted by ships that improve leadership normally. Or they can specify that they cannot lower a ship's leadership, regardless of value.

[horizon]

Bakka adds lots of cheap turrets AND really good carrier options...

Armageddon allows extra battlecruisers for no apparent downside...

' kay. Bakka could need a look.

Armageddon:
No Retribution
No Overlord
No Grand Cruisers
No Dauntless
No Dominator
Standard IN Escorts +5pts

Plus 1:1 battlecruiser vs cruiser means less ships, or more points spend on 2 ships.

[afterimagedan]

It looks like the current proposal is as follows (for IN anyway), based on BFG:R and this discussion:

Ld 8 50pts
Ld 9 75pts
Ld 10 100pts

+1 Reroll 25pts
+2 Reroll 50pts
+3 Reroll 75pts

Secondary Commanders (Uncertain as to quantity, 0-3 maybe?)

25pts +1Ld/Ld 8 (tossup)
+1 Reroll 25pts

Does that sound like our current thing? Just modify from this list and then toss up the proposal.

And what about veteran captains for Battlefleet Cadia? I suppose it should be less than the secondary commanders knowing that they get the crappy leadership.

[Bessemer]

For Cadia, the limit for VC's was 5 iirc, and came with 1RR as standard (50pts).
Using the proposed rules, you could just us the VC;s to get the Ld bonus and save on taking RR's. The limit of 5 seems OK. In fact just been looking at the 13th BC list and there's NO limit for Lords!

As for the proposed Commanders, I'm more in favour of: 50pts +1 Ld (Max 9)
                                                                                          100 +2 Ld     

Gets rid of any chance of having a ship with Ld 9 getting a Ld8 commander! The VC is fine by me tho.

As for the Dauntless, why not just add an option for +1 turret (+10 pts)?

[afterimagedan]

What about this... The VCs for BFC are the same as the secondary commanders but are placed after LD is rolled. They can both be 25pts for +1 ld (max ld9) and 25pts for 0-1 RR. Cool?

[Bessemer]

I always thought you placed comanders and such after rolling Ld anyway, don't tell me I've been doing this wrong all this time...

[afterimagedan]

I always thought you placed comanders and such after rolling Ld anyway, don't tell me I've been doing this wrong all this time...

I have always played it that you place the commander when you pay for the ships, etc. THEN, you roll Ld values, THEN form up the squadrons. The reason I think the VCs are nice is because you can place them after all this.

[horizon]

Talos Bessemer did it correct.

First Ld roll, then admiral placement, then squadrons.

[AndrewChristlieb]

I have been swayed.

Veteran captian 0-3 Must be assigned to a squadron.
+1 leadership for 30 points

May purchase upto one reroll for 15 points, this reroll may only be used for the veterans ship or squadron.

Cadia may take upto 5 veterans at a cost of 25 points each to represent the large number of highly trained officers.