BFG:R Imperial Navy

[afterimagedan]

Agreed.

[ThaneAquilon]

Okay, well will we follow the

50pt ld+1(max 9, unless racially higher) 1RR, 100pts ld+2(max 9 unless racially higher)  2RR

Subs - max 3@ 25pts Ld+1(max 9 unless racially higher) 0-1 RR each for 25pts usable only on his ship/squadron

Personally I think the Ld +2 one should set the max to Ld10, to represent legendary leadership (also to make it more useful) but possible for his ship only, that way it makes it worth it to use you higher leadership rolls on him. (also putting him on the Emperor battleship/Custodian/Biggest Chaos ship becomes more appealing).

As an aside, what is the leadership max for corsair eldar? I thinks it's 9, but I think it should be 10.

Also should subs have the Gryphon Knight ability included/as an upgrade, that is to continue to be able to do Ld checks with that squadron after having failed one?

[AndrewChristlieb]

Corsairs are ld7-10 their PP is 10.


*edit*

I dont know how everyone else feels but a ??simplified?? leadership chart that covers all the races would be nice. Something like:

Eldar(all)/ SM
1=7
2-3=8
4-5=9
6=10
Human/ Tau/ Necron
1=6
2-3=7
4-5=8
6=9
Pirates/ Orks/ Merchants
1-2=6
3-4=7
5-6=8

[Bessemer]

I take it Admech would come under Human?

Does make more conveinient to list Ld's like this, and makes it easier for Orks (not sure how many SM players would like it though )

[ThaneAquilon]

I'm fine with that format. Do SM usually get better leadership than that? I thought they had the same as eldar? Also I thought Admech had eldar leadership as welll.

[Talos]

SM get only 8-10 LD, and AdMech get 7-9 (basically like imperials, but can't get a six.

[ThaneAquilon]

Oh, so they both get slightly worse simply to standardise? Aren't both those fleets a little underpowered anyway?

[Talos]

Very true...but not a huge loss for AdMech, and SM still have the best leader hands down, so probably not too crippling...also, with the new changes AdMech and SM may very well be strong and competitive (SM bombardment cannon spam is already pretty good, as the tournaments have shown us...)

[afterimagedan]

Very true...but not a huge loss for AdMech, and SM still have the best leader hands down, so probably not too crippling...also, with the new changes AdMech and SM may very well be strong and competitive (SM bombardment cannon spam is already pretty good, as the tournaments have shown us...)

SM bombardment cannon spam is powerful and unreasonably good. That's why it's better to make the SM strike cruiser bombardment cannon upgrade to 3FP instead of 5fp.

Anyways, I don't think we should change the leadership charts. I do think adding secondary commanders is a good thing though.

[ThaneAquilon]

So now that we've got subcomanders down, and we've updated ships...is that it for IN, are we done? (aside from proof-reading) Or are we reworking the general fleet lists as well?

[AndrewChristlieb]

Bakka? Even if the fleet list is dropped the ships should remain. I dont know if the fleet lists really need reworking, the only ones that are really "bad" are Bakka and maybe Armageddon.

[Talos]

Out of curiosity, what do people not like about Bakka (potentially Armageddon)? I have my own problems with them, but why do other people dislike them?

[ThaneAquilon]

I'm surprised, honestly. I figured at 1500 Bakka would be a pretty good fleet, being able to either res in Dictators or use an Emp (which I am under the impression is in it's fleet list) With some standard lunar pairs or Gothic with Dominator groupings. Having the higher turret rating seems really solid. And being able to use admech is just icing. Am I completely wrong? (clearly, but please enlighten me as to why)

If I'm wrong and the Emperor is not in its list, is that what makes the list "bad"? Cuz that's a pretty telling indication of the state of the IN fleet if that's the case...

[Talos]

The Emperor is reserve only in Bakka, unless you take the special character, who is 200 points and can only be played in 1500pts+. It is true that you can reserve in a dictator, and if you do so and grab a dominion battlecruiser you will have the required 8+LB for IN. They have a pretty restricted escort list, I suppose. And they can't touch all the gunships, including the overlord, surprisingly.

By the By, are we keeping the Chalice Battlecruiser? If we keep Bakka, it would fit in... swimmingly. And with which profile? A few were discussed, I will see if I can find the thread.

[Bessemer]

If we're talking the Bakka list, what about the Victory? Does it have any fans out there, can't ever remember taking it myself. Yes you do suffer for AC, but get Free access to extra turrets and the Fleet Defence Batteries. As for no Overlord, what's wrong with the Mercury?

What do people dislike about the Armageddon list? OK you don't get Dominators as standard, but you gain SM ships as per your normal choices and a Battlecruiser for every cruiser.

Working with a lists strengths/weaknesses is what keeps it fresh for me, nothing worse than doing the same stuff over and over.