BFG:R Vote 3: Dark Eldar

[afterimagedan]

Vote 3.

[horizon]

BFG:R: fine
with art from the document I once published.

[afterimagedan]

Any thoughts about edits to stats/costs? Here's a question: should changing from BFG:R MMS rules to original MMS rules change the point values of ships?

I actually just got done going through the point values and balance between the ships and I think they are pretty well balanced. Obviously, the Dark Mirror Succubus is supposed to be WB 6 instead of 16.

[afterimagedan]

Alright, here's the BFG:R Dark Eldar document so far. I have replaced out the keywords from old BFG:R, brought in the MMS 1.9b Holofield rules for the shadowfield rules, and brought in the MMS 1.9b critical chart.

++BFG:R Dark Eldar++

P.S. I didn't mess with the defenses at all, or the fleet list last page.

[AndrewChristlieb]

just a few things I noticed while running through this.

DE dont have a min movement now?

If the Dark Eldar player causes a critical hit of '9'
during a hit and run or a boarding action, he will gain an
additional 100 victory points as some of the enemy captains are
captured.

How do you score a 9 in a hit and run?

Shadowfields dont offer any protection from a direct hit with a nova?

Leech torpedoe causes an automatic critical result of "8" but no damage, does the shipo still take the automatic damage from a critical result of "8"?

Why does the Impailer get a 3+ save instead of the standard 4+ as presented in Armada?

Grand cruiser type on the Mortalis

[Talos]

@ Andrew I have some asnwers for you

Impalers roll 2d6 on their hit and run check, so can score a 9.

Shadowfields are identical to holofields, and in MMS they offer no protection against NC. In BFG:R plaxor has it so that NC can reroll their scatter die if locked on, so presumably to counter this holo/shadow fields will get the vs. lance save against them, or take plaxors approach and allow them to force a reroll of direct hits.

Leech torpedo's should not cause damage IMO, because that makes normal torpedoes superfluous.

If we are using MMS 1.9b presumably we will make DE movement copy paste of CE and craftworld eldar.

[afterimagedan]

just a few things I noticed while running through this.

DE dont have a min movement now?
No
If the Dark Eldar player causes a critical hit of '9'
during a hit and run or a boarding action, he will gain an
additional 100 victory points as some of the enemy captains are
captured. How do you score a 9 in a hit and run?
impalers
Shadowfields dont offer any protection from a direct hit with a nova?
not at this point but I think it should be changed in the MMS and Dark Eldar documents
Leech torpedoe causes an automatic critical result of "8" but no damage, does the ship still take the automatic damage from a critical result of "8"?
it shouldn't. If there is a chart that has 8 at also damaging the ships as far as hits go, we need to make a change
Why does the Impailer get a 3+ save instead of the standard 4+ as presented in Armada?
yes, I believe that is what he was going for
Grand cruiser type on the Mortalis
i'm on it

[afterimagedan]

Shadowfields are identical to holofields, and in MMS they offer no protection against NC. In BFG:R plaxor has it so that NC can reroll their scatter die if locked on, so presumably to counter this holo/shadow fields will get the vs. lance save against them, or take plaxors approach and allow them to force a reroll of direct hits.
I think we either need to plan to have a change to NCs (like the newest BFG:R book has them or something different) and make holofields either make the NC reroll a hit, cancelling with a lock-on special order, OR we need to give it shadowfield saves against successful hull damage.
Leech torpedo's should not cause damage IMO, because that makes normal torpedoes superfluous.
agreed

If we are using MMS 1.9b presumably we will make DE movement copy paste of CE and craftworld eldar.
I'm not sure what I think about this, because Eldar have the solar movement stuff. I actually think keeping this the way it is would be better for DE.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Hum, Impailers roll a critical hit not a hit and run, probably just my ocd talking tho . Dark Eldar should definitely not get the same movement as Eldar, theres no reasoning for it.

[afterimagedan]

I think we will have to make the point that these never do damage, even if it is indicated on the enemy ship's critical chart.

[horizon]

Keep this on hold. I want to toothpick this one.

[afterimagedan]

Keep this on hold. I want to toothpick this one.

It's not going anywhere! I am happy to see all the support for finishing BFG:R. Can't wait to get this thing done.

[horizon]

I am on the edge if MMS should go the DE as well.

[ThaneAquilon]

You should (maybe) clarify that if an impaler causes a Fire! critical, it still causes damage. If it's not specifically stated, then the argument could be made that it doesn't.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Fire doesnt automatically cause damage tho, and the Armada rules has the Impailer listed as causing a critical hit not a hit and run.