Finishing BFG:Revised

[AndrewChristlieb]

Imperial:

Vengance special rules has a couple typos in the last sentence

I know its been there since forever but it would be nice to see the Dauntless special rules state +5D6 on AAF insterad of +D6

Bastion fleet fluff (on the fleet list page) cuts off.

I thought the Endurance and its varients had been removed from the Bastion fleet list, or was I dreaming this? At anyrate the special fleet list requirements (no more than 2 per 500) should be shortened to remove references to Armageddon (My opinion here).

Bastion fleet list should add the Exorcist to the list of ships able to take Shark Assault Boats.

Chaos:

Despoiler now lists the prow Launch as 2 now instead of 4??? this ship has been changing alot but at 400pts now thats a big drop in capabilities.

Chaos transport entry now lists them as +3D6 when on AAF special orders. Im still pro removing this entry, as Im sure your quite aware .

Chaos space Hulks still have no info in reguards to AAF.

Space Marines:

Before we get started here the rules from Armada are missing and unless im mistaken rapid strike vessels got dropped right?

If you dont mind can you modify the original post with the links to the revised documents so theyre easier to locate. Thanks.

[afterimagedan]

Imperial:
Vengance special rules has a couple typos in the last sentence
fixed
I know its been there since forever but it would be nice to see the Dauntless special rules state +5D6 on AAF insterad of +D6
change this to clarify
Bastion fleet fluff (on the fleet list page) cuts off.
whats interesting is that it cuts off on the official document as well. I added in the word "absent" to make sense of the sentence, keep it brief and broad, and end it quickly.
I thought the Endurance and its varients had been removed from the Bastion fleet list, or was I dreaming this? At anyrate the special fleet list requirements (no more than 2 per 500) should be shortened to remove references to Armageddon (My opinion here).
fixed
Bastion fleet list should add the Exorcist to the list of ships able to take Shark Assault Boats.
fixed

Chaos:
Despoiler now lists the prow Launch as 2 now instead of 4??? this ship has been changing alot but at 400pts now thats a big drop in capabilities.
that was a stupid mistake on my part. fixed
Chaos transport entry now lists them as +3D6 when on AAF special orders. Im still pro removing this entry, as Im sure your quite aware .
the original rules for IN transports (which Chaos transports use the same rules) have them at +3d6 to their AAF orders so it was put in the Chaos entry as well. Is there a particular reason you think the entry of CHaos transports should be removed?
Chaos space Hulks still have no info in reguards to AAF.
hmm, I'm not sure what needs to be added here. Can you build on this a little more

Space Marines:
Before we get started here the rules from Armada are missing and unless im mistaken rapid strike vessels got dropped right?
I am just working with the 2010 document for SM. In the voting, the RSVs got dropped.
If you dont mind can you modify the original post with the links to the revised documents so theyre easier to locate. Thanks.
you got it
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[AndrewChristlieb]

My bad +3D6 is correct, ive got orks on the brain... Im of the opinion that the transports and their varients should be in an appendix of thier own similar to what was in armada, if im not mistake the Imperial list has already dropped the transport.

Chaos space hulk as listed can go on AAF and gain +4D6 cm. in the Faq pg 27 it is stated that space hulks may take AAF special orders but they may gain no extra movement for doing so. This is to allow then to ram (as if they can pass the leadership...)

The 2010 SM document excludes all of the special rules that were presented in Armada (weapons boarding etc) it only includes the special rules for what was added in the doc itself.

[afterimagedan]

My bad +3D6 is correct, ive got orks on the brain... Im of the opinion that the transports and their varients should be in an appendix of thier own similar to what was in armada, if im not mistake the Imperial list has already dropped the transport.
agreed and fixed. It will be good to have a document for defenses and transports.
Chaos space hulk as listed can go on AAF and gain +4D6 cm. in the Faq pg 27 it is stated that space hulks may take AAF special orders but they may gain no extra movement for doing so. This is to allow then to ram (as if they can pass the leadership...)
working on it
The 2010 SM document excludes all of the special rules that were presented in Armada (weapons boarding etc) it only includes the special rules for what was added in the doc itself.
fixed

[afterimagedan]

Adeptus Mechanicus is now uploaded (you can see it on the original post of this thread).

[afterimagedan]

Tau Empire is now ready for proof-reading. Both documents are integrated and the voted changes are there.

[horizon]

Tau:
Protector: -5pts
Emissary: 25cm speed (stats juggle needed)
Castellan: -5pts

<waits on Sig for Demiurg> 

fleets lists:
need: 1 korvattra and 1 kororvesh list plus rules to merge.


AdMech:
now that gifts are buy option and not a d6 roll the points of the vessels need to come down somewhat. ~ 10-15pts.
Ark is 415 in profile, 390 in list

[afterimagedan]

Necron Fleet is uploaded with a few things to notice: 1. It includes the Kartouche, Reaper, and Khopesh. 2. It has the new, simplified Reactive Hulls rules with the complimentary point increases for ships that benefit from it (also making the points multiples of 25, which is nice, I know Sigoroth supported this originally).

Please check it out and let me know if there are any changes or edits that need to be made.

[afterimagedan]

Tau:
Protector: -5pts
Emissary: 25cm speed (stats juggle needed)
Castellan: -5pts

were these voted on?


fleets lists:
need: 1 korvattra and 1 kororvesh list plus rules to merge.
I will look into this

AdMech:
now that gifts are buy option and not a d6 roll the points of the vessels need to come down somewhat. ~ 10-15pts.
I think we should get some recommendations and get it voted on. If anyone wants to write up a list of costs for the AdMech ships, we could get started that way. Personally, -10 would be my pick for points reduction. They have higher leadership and extra lances, but have a disadvantage when it comes to boarding and many limitations on the ships they can take.

Ark is 415 in profile, 390 in list
fixed

I am going to start working on the Ork fleet now and I will definitely need some help on this. From what  I can tell, most/all of the rules changes that were voted on were implemented in the current BFG:R document. I am going to get rid of the keyword stuff and them submit it for you guys to proof-read.

[ThaneAquilon]

The protector, should it be able to buy bombers?

The emissary's weapon loadout seemed fine while I was using it, pretty glass cannon, which makes sense for a yacht loaded up with guns.

[Talos]

I'm all for dropping the castellan, but then what about the defender? With the same price who in their right mind would choose a defender? The defender has one more battery granted, but the castellan has 5cm more speed, 15cm more range and better turns.

Has anyone ever actually run a messenger? Seems really crappy point sink for your tracking system when a custodian will double the range and actually do stuff.

For Admech, about 15 points more than IN equivalent, plus upgrade seems reasonable, 10 points more for CL. At least to me.

Necrons: The cartouche seems pretty pointless, other than getting a tombship earlier. IMO.

Looking forward to Orks.

[afterimagedan]

I'm all for dropping the castellan, but then what about the defender? With the same price who in their right mind would choose a defender? The defender has one more battery granted, but the castellan has 5cm more speed, 15cm more range and better turns.
why would you drop the castellan? they have a model specifically for it and it's a nice one.
Has anyone ever actually run a messenger? Seems really crappy point sink for your tracking system when a custodian will double the range and actually do stuff.

For Admech, about 15 points more than IN equivalent, plus upgrade seems reasonable, 10 points more for CL. At least to me.
seems about right
Necrons: The cartouche seems pretty pointless, other than getting a tombship earlier. IMO.
I would argue that the IN Gothic is pointless but we still keep it as an option. Some people like it and will use it.
Looking forward to Orks.
I'm not... (editing is going to be a nightmare). Also, I has been modified so much that it is going to be difficult to get the right rules and avoid the non-voted on rules.

[Talos]

Very true about the orks...best starting point is probably the faq, then filter through non-official stuff. There is a discussion that could be of merit at http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4800.msg36154#new
about ork lists.

Castellan: By dropping I mean't the point drop horizon suggested, not removing the entry, my apologies for the terminology . I much prefer the castellan myself over the defender, just "defending" those who maybe already own the models.

Cartouche: We can still vote on it Danny Old Boy, I'm just casting my ballot .

[afterimagedan]

Very true about the orks...best starting point is probably the faq, then filter through non-official stuff. There is a discussion that could be of merit at http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4800.msg36154#new
about ork lists.

Castellan: By dropping I mean't the point drop horizon suggested, not removing the entry, my apologies for the terminology . I much prefer the castellan myself over the defender, just "defending" those who maybe already own the models.
Oops, I get you now.
Cartouche: We can still vote on it Danny Old Boy, I'm just casting my ballot .
Deal!

[horizon]

Defender -> 2 hits.
Done.