Finishing BFG:Revised

[afterimagedan]

This means that those people that prefer a WB gunboat are forced to take a NC.

Note that this isn't due to any inherent imbalance in the NC, but rather from a combination of psychological effects and some extreme scenarios where the NC completely dominates. This means that people who take the Dominator because they want 12WB@30cm get accused of munchkinism for NC spam.

Simply make the Tyrant 12WB@30cmL+R for 180 pts and give it an option to 'upgrade' to 10WB@45cmL+R for +10 pts. Job's done.

This. I am in complete and utter agreement with this. The Dominator would stay the same in this case, correct?

Here is the Imperial Navy document in its current state....

++BFGR Imperial Navy++

[Talos]

Do you want that proofread to, or left alone for now until you are done?

Also tyrant is a done deal in my book with those specs.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Overlord went to 220 in the FAQ and gained the targeting matrix.

 

[Sigoroth]

Overlord went to 220 in the FAQ and gained the targeting matrix.

Yes, the 2010FAQ Overlord is quite reasonable, actually a better fix than what we had come up with.

[ThaneAquilon]

2 things. First, why is the Despoiler so much more expensive than the Emperor? I see that it has more firepower, but the Emp has +1ld...so is the firepower really worth the loss of that and 25 points? I haven't really used either, or seen much of either yet.

Second, in that document, the Emp is shown as having sharks included, then stated as being able to buy them. I undestand how it is supposed to work, but that's there.

Ciao.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Skimmed the Chaos Document tonight.

Remove refernces to running out of Ordinance under the Armageddon gun rules.

Possably replace the double 6's rule with a failed leadership test causes a crit to overcome its inability to go offline due to rolling doubles.

I would remove the option to replace 2 prow launch with 9 torps on the Despoiler.

Terminus Est listed as a famous Despoiler :/ yay or nay?

Repulsive lost the ability to take a 2 shield version? Mine came with a small base tho

Retaliator and Executor should be Cruiser for type, not Grand cruiser ( Iknow they are grand cruisers but there is no "grand cruiser" type theyre just Cruisers for gunnery purposes)

Hecate should get the prow wepons @ 60CM for the same price IMO

Idolator should be @ 45 with a left column shift or 40 without, as it is currently its meh.

Either remove the transport entry (they should be in their own section anyway) or add the stat instead of saying refer to the Imperial section.

I am all for a special ships section with the stats for generic transports and defenses.

Same thing why does the chaos attack craft section refer us to the imerial section?

Why does the Chaos Hulk cost more than an Ork Hulk and have less weapons? (I know Orks are Variable but the hulk averages pretty high)

Leadership should remain 6 max, warmasters, CSM, etc should be unable to modify this stat (leadership 9 Hulks are stupid! and rather powerful

Hulk Special Orders section should detail the AAF may be performed but adds +0D6 and is only intended for ramming only.

Remove the section stating that Chaos fleets with a Hulk cannot take more than 2 battleships.

Critical chart needs work, It should be far more common to damage a weapon than a "high energy system" due to the fact that there are WAY more of them to take out .

Misma of Pestulance, should allow use against torpedoes, maybe replace with the rules for spore clouds?

Hives of Nurgle, feels like secessful hits past shields should cause an auto fire crit to represent the chance of plauge spreading.

CSM should modify the leadership to 1 or 2 = ld8 3 or 4 = ld9 5 or 6 = ld10 instead of +1 leadership

CSM: Others should be allowed any one mark OR at least get a reroll or something...

CSM should = Thunderhawks only.

CSM for escorts 5pts/ each

Chaos sector list has **** as the value for modified ship values (Despoiler Styx Inconclast)

Im not sold on the Named Chaos fleets. 12th and 13th seem fine, with the 13th appended to include the named battleships or one CSM fleet list and remove CSM as an option for the 13th.

Would be nice to see the addition of a section dedicated to the traitor IN ship rules from FAQ 2010.

not too many errors I noticed, Im sure theres some grammer errors and such as I was just looking for play errors atm tho.

Im going to put some thought into the HQ slots/ Marks and get back on those.

[Talos]

@ AndrewChristLieb Hehe good work...found a lot more rule corrections that slipped by me, you sneaky chaos loving bastard ...have you checked the IN one yet? I already sent both as email's to dan, after he has read both we can revise and re-assess the document again.

[horizon]

First of all: remove all qualities Plaxor made up. I kinda dislike them. If you put out a fleet list like that (so we do more then ships only ey ) people wonder what it is and you have to put out a rule document at the same time.

Massive quality, tsssk,

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ya, add the 2 shield option for the Repulsive (-15pts).


Imperial Navy
Overlord to 220 with matrix option.
Armageddon to 235pts (FAQ2010), plus NC option for +20.
The Defiant is gone 

[AndrewChristlieb]

No i havent had a chance to go over the IN yet, got home just before 9 last night now i have to drive to Memphis this morning to repair some equipment because Memphis doesnt have anyone trained on it :/. So its probably going to be a late night again! On the plus side overtime makes my wife the happiest .

[Talos]

@AndrewChristlieb Overtime makes her happy because of the money, or because your out of the house?

@ horizon I agree that we should not utilize any qualities that plaxor made up for now, but most of the qualities are just keywords for existing vessels i.e. stalwart, which is the +1 vs. boarding that the endeavour family has, improved targeting matrix which is the left column shift on batteries that overlords, mars, all eldar, and few others get. We could strip them all out I guess, but surely a one page (or even half page!) list of the terms and what they are could really unclutter/streamline the ship profiles.

Sort of like w40k, ya know? All players know the various terms (armorbane, shred, vector strike, instant death, etc...) and so profiles are easier to read because of it.

[afterimagedan]

Repulsive lost the ability to take a 2 shield version? Mine came with a small base tho

Retaliator and Executor should be Cruiser for type, not Grand cruiser ( Iknow they are grand cruisers but there is no "grand cruiser" type theyre just Cruisers for gunnery purposes)

Either remove the transport entry (they should be in their own section anyway) or add the stat instead of saying refer to the Imperial section.

I am all for a special ships section with the stats for generic transports and defenses.

Same thing why does the chaos attack craft section refer us to the imperial section?

I'm on it. Thanks!


Needs voting on:

Idolator should be @ 45 with a left column shift or 40 without, as it is currently its meh.

Possably replace the double 6's rule with a failed leadership test causes a crit to overcome its inability to go offline due to rolling doubles.

I would remove the option to replace 2 prow launch with 9 torps on the Despoiler.

Hecate should get the prow wepons @ 60CM for the same price IMO

Why does the Chaos Hulk cost more than an Ork Hulk and have less weapons? (I know Orks are Variable but the hulk averages pretty high)

Leadership should remain 6 max, warmasters, CSM, etc should be unable to modify this stat (leadership 9 Hulks are stupid! and rather powerful

Hulk Special Orders section should detail the AAF may be performed but adds +0D6 and is only intended for ramming only.

Remove the section stating that Chaos fleets with a Hulk cannot take more than 2 battleships.

Critical chart needs work, It should be far more common to damage a weapon than a "high energy system" due to the fact that there are WAY more of them to take out .

Misma of Pestulance, should allow use against torpedoes, maybe replace with the rules for spore clouds?

Hives of Nurgle, feels like secessful hits past shields should cause an auto fire crit to represent the chance of plauge spreading.

CSM should modify the leadership to 1 or 2 = ld8 3 or 4 = ld9 5 or 6 = ld10 instead of +1 leadership

CSM: Others should be allowed any one mark OR at least get a reroll or something...

CSM should = Thunderhawks only.

CSM for escorts 5pts/ each

Chaos sector list has **** as the value for modified ship values (Despoiler Styx Inconclast)

Im not sold on the Named Chaos fleets. 12th and 13th seem fine, with the 13th appended to include the named battleships or one CSM fleet list and remove CSM as an option for the 13th.

Would be nice to see the addition of a section dedicated to the traitor IN ship rules from FAQ 2010.

Terminus Est listed as a famous Despoiler :/ yay or nay?

Wha?

Remove refernces to running out of Ordinance under the Armageddon gun rules.

I don't see this. I see a lot about rolling doubles on RO for the Armageddon gun malfunctioning. Is that what you are talking about?

Edit: I finished the edits from AndrewChristlieb and have a whole like from Talos that I will work on later tonight.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Ork space hulks already have the ability to go AAF +0D6 in order to ram.

Traitor IN is in the FAQ already, a short section similar to the one in the Bastions list for chaos ships would suffice.

The Terminus Est is listed as a famous Despoiler.

On a roll of any other double the Armageddon gun must be shut down to prevent overloading. This could really be kept as a rule i guess but its a hold over from when ordinance ran out on doubles. Also the last sentence states that the torpedoes run out if you roll double 6's along with the critical from te Armageddon gun.

She likes expensive purses, and jewlery, and misc other stuff .

I hate the named values in 40k too :/.

[Talos]

Yeah...to be fair, so many people like to flip back and forth between core book and codex pages for keywords and codex, but honestly, I prefer keyword with full description usually, cluttered though it may be.

ex. Under overlord battlecruiser

Improved Targeting Matrix: [insert flavor text here]...for +15pts.. the overlord battlecruiser has a left column shift on the gunnery chart.

That way you always have the ability on hand and easy to comprehend, but the keyword addition makes it simpler to write tournament lists and makes a quick visual/audio distinction between abilities that are worded similarly but are different in application.

ex. telling opponent what you are playing
...also got this here mars battlecruiser, with improved targeting matrix...

[afterimagedan]

Alright, I have the edits from Talos and AndrewChristlieb done. Please make one more run through the documents and confirm the voted rules changes are fixed (listed on page 2 of this thread). Also, send those typos my way whenever you can.

Ready for Imperial Navy?!

[horizon]

nah, the keyword has nothing to it. I do not care forum 40k at all. Stalwart means nothing to me and I rather read targetting matrix in a fleet list then an obscure keyword. BFG:R is still niche and unofficial. Adding 'weird' extra's is just a bad idea to make revised costs/stats widely accepted.