"Exalted Subjugation" - Super Battleship

[Trickstick]

So I have been working on the model for the new flagship for Battlefleet Halcyon and thought I would throw the rules in a post. This ship was made after my repeated frustrations at facing the chaos planet killer. While it is not meant to be a direct competitor, it can take plenty of fire and keep going.

I have used the Smotherman Formula to give me a basic points cost to work from, although I have added a bit.

So, the stats:

Attribute	Value	Points Cost
Hits	14	70
Shields	4	40
Turrets	5	25
Armour	6+/5+	42.5
Speed	15cm	3
Turns	45°	---

The weapons:

Armament	Range/Speed	Firepower/Strength	Fire Arc	Points
Port Launch Bays	Furies: 30cm Starhawks: 20cm Sharks: 30cm	4 Squadrons	---	54
Starboard Launch Bays	Furies: 30cm Starhawks: 20cm Sharks: 30cm	4 Squadrons	---	54
Port Weapons Battery	60cm	6	L	27
Starboard Weapons Battery	60cm	6	R	27
Dorsal Lance Battery	60cm	4	L/F/R	52
Prow Torpedoes	Speed 30cm	9	Front	31.5
Plasma Devastator	30-150cm	D3 Nova Cannon Shots	F	75

Notes: The Exalted Subjugation is a slow and ponderous vessel and cannot use Come to a New Heading special orders. For an extra +5 points the Exalted Subjugation may carry squadrons of shark assault boats. If the dice roll for the Plasma devestator is a six (using the old 5/6 = 3 shots), then the ship suffers a thruster critical, without the +1 damage. The weapon still fires that turn as normal.

Formula cost: 501
Adjusted cost: 540

I priced the d3 nova cannon shots as 2 nova cannons but added the extra rule to stop them being too good.

Terrible or not?

[AndrewChristlieb]

I'd like three please . Seriously tho the price sounds about right. On the D3 nova cannon shots is this "roll a D3 and perform this many nova cannon attacks." Or is it "place the nova cannon template over the target and roll the scatter die. On a hit roll D3 D6 for damage (1-18). On a miss scatter in that direction per the rules for nova cannon and apply D3 D6 to any ships under the center of the template."

I think option 1 sounds the best here.

You might also try playing it as a straight 5+ armor and bringing the points cost down. Put it at 505 with the same restrictions as the pk. On a side note what kind of problems are you having? I've never had a problem keeping out of its direct front and other than the armageddon gun its a basic bb. Oh and where's the back story? I love the ship and I'm seeing lots of ideas, but I'd like to know why the empire built this .

[Trickstick]

It is d3 separate nova cannon attacks. The 6+ armour makes sense given the model I have made, it has a huge armoured prow made from a ravenwing master jet bike.

The planet killer isn't so much a problem, other than it's ability to take out ordnance so easily. It is more that I wanted a huge centrepiece for my fleet. The fluff is in progress but I wanted to get the rules and model finished before I finalised it.

Edit: It will most certainly be a 0-1 choice.

[horizon]

So when looking at the weapon set it brings:

Despoiler class battleship torpedo version (410pts):
+ 2hits
+ armoured prow
- 5cm speed
+1 dorsal lance
+ beefed up NC

[Trickstick]

Also:

+ 1 Turret
+ 1 Torpedo

Unless I missed something in the FAQs.

[horizon]

+1 torp indeed.
Despoiler has 5 turrets.

I'd advocate -1 dorsal lance, and less prow torps.

[Trickstick]

Hmmm, despoiler has 4 turrets in my "Ships of the gothic sector" pdf. Did they change it somewhere and I missed it?

How about 3 lances, 6 torpedoes for 510 points?

[horizon]

....my mind has melted.... it is 4 turrets... how weird....


Sounds good.

[Trickstick]

A revision to the ship design. I have changed the loadout to be more like an apocalypse than an emperor.

Attribute	Value	Points Cost
Hits	14	70
Shields	4	40
Turrets	5	25
Armour	6+/5+	42.5
Speed	15cm	3
Turns	45°	---

The weapons:

Armament	Range/Speed	Firepower/Strength	Fire Arc	Points
Port Lance Batteries	60cm	6	L	78/td]
Starboard Lance Batteries	60cm	6	6	78
Dorsal L Weapon Battery	60cm	6	L/F/R	27
Plasma Devastator	30-150cm	D3 Nova Cannon Shots	F	75

Notes: The Exalted Subjugation is a slow and ponderous vessel and cannot use Come to a New Heading special orders. If the dice roll for the Plasma devestator is a six (using the old 5/6 = 3 shots), then the ship suffers a thruster critical, without the +1 damage. The weapon still fires that turn as normal.

Formula cost: 438.5
Adjusted cost: 450

I lowered the points premium by a lot, as there is no longer any torp/bomber synergy. Here is a picture of the work in progress:

[horizon]

6 lances @ 60cm? No drawback?

[Trickstick]

I was thinking that it was like a venerable apocalypse, so the technology is more advanced. I could add the special lock on rule but then it starts turning into just a splightly beefed up apocalypse.

Edit: Maybe 45cm with the special rule?

[Sigoroth]

If you took that massive prow off and replaced with a normal one it could pass as a light battleship, with 10 hits. The rear looks cool, but smaller than a normal BB, not larger.

[AndrewChristlieb]

I'm not sure what your going for for sure without seeing the fluff, but I see this more as a newer ship than an older one. I'm thinking something along the lines of the admech using techniques learned from what may have been salvaged from the planet killer after it was destroyed,  but before it was covered up . In that line of thinking I would go with the straight apoc lance rules, as they would graft a system on they are familiar with already. Then boost your dorsal to say 8 weps and add another 8 prow L/F/R weps. This will bring your weapon loadout more into line with a planet killer type vessel, altho I think even with this its still out gunned by the pk plus the pk has a 9 torp spread. The rear does look a bit thin compared to that prow.

[Sigoroth]

What are the metal pieces from?

[Trickstick]

The rear doesn't look as small as the picture makes it out to be. The metal bow and stern pieces are from a master of the ravenwing jetbike. The bridge is the spare one from a retribution, and the emblem on it is a crozius.

I think I'll work on some fluff for it tomorrow.