Battlefleet Urdesh idea

[RCgothic]

Hopefully that's the objectionable piece of fluff re-written in a both shorter and more acceptable form.

Do you mean the Repulse, or the Firedagger? Quite like the idea of the Cyclone class Heavy Frigate.

[RCgothic]

List Revision 1.3


Battlefleet Urdesh.

Ship Database:

Repulse Class Heavy Battlecruiser 335pts
Battleship12 Shields2 Speed25 Turns45 Armour6+/5+ Turrets2

Prow Torpedos S9 30cm F
P/S Weapons Batteries FP12 R60cm L/R
P/S Launch Bays S2 per side Fighters/Bombers All Round
Dorsal Lances S2 R60cm F/L/R
Special Rules:
May not CTNH. Gains +1D6 on AAF. Suffers Critical Hits on a D6 Roll of 5+. All rolls on the critical hit chart gain a +1 Modifier.


Audacious Class Battlecruiser 245pts
Cruiser8 Shields2 Speed20 Turns45 Armour6+/5+ Turrets2

Prow Torpedoes S6 30cm F
P/S WBs FP12 R60 L/R
Dorsal Launch Bay S2 Fighters/Bombers All Round
Options:
May purchase a Nova Cannon for +20pts.


Attacker Class Battlecruiser 335pts
Cruiser8 Shields2 Speed20 Turns45 Armour6+/5+ Turrets2

Prow Torpedoes S6 30cm F
P/S WBs FP6 R45cm L/R
P/S Lances S2 R45cm L/R
Dorsal Launch S2 Bay Fighters/Bombers All Round
Options:
May purchase an additional turret for +10pts.


Cyclone Class Heavy Frigate 50pts
Escort2 Shields1 Speed25 Turns90 Armour5+ Turrets2
Prow Torpedoes S2 30cm F
Dorsal Weapons Battery FP4 30cm F/L/R
P/S WBs FP2 R30 L/R
Options:
A Cyclone class Heavy Frigate may replace its prow torpedo launcher with a S1 Launch Bay for +5pts.


Fleet List:

Battleships:
Apocalypse Class Battleship 365pts
Oberon Class Battleship 365pts
Retribution Class Battleship 355pts
Repulse Class Heavy Battlecruiser 335pts
Vanquisher Class Battleship 290pts

Battlecruisers:
Mars Class Battlecruiser 270pts
Dominion Class Battlecruiser  270pts
Audacious Class Battlecruiser 245pts
Attacker Class Battlecruiser 235pts

Cruisers:
Dictator Class Cruiser 220pts
Tyrant Class Cruiser 180pts
Lunar Class Cruiser 180pts
Gothic Class Cruiser 180pts
Endeavour Class Light Cruiser 120pts
Endurance Class Light Cruiser 120pts
Enforcer Class Light Cruiser 115pts
Dauntless Class Light Cruiser 110pts
Defiant Class Light Cruiser 105pts
Siluria Class Light Cruiser 80pts

Escorts:
Cyclone Class Heavy Frigate 50pts
Sword class Frigate 35pts  
Falchion class Frigate 35pts  
Viper class missile destroyer 35pts  
Cobra class Destroyer 30pts  
Iconoclast class Destroyer 25pts  

Fleet Commanders:
Commodore Ld8 50pts
Rear Admiral Ld9 75pts
Lord Admiral Ld10 100pts

You MUST have a fleet commander. You MAY have as many Commodores as you wish, but if you have more than one you must also have ONE admiral, and you MAY NEVER have more than one admiral.
Fleet Commanders come with one reroll, and may purchase as many as they want for +25pts per reroll. A Commodore’s rerolls may only be used for his ship or squadron, but an Admiral’s may be used for any ship or squadron in the fleet.
So long as no ship within the squadron has failed a special orders check, ships or squadrons with a fleet commander may continue to attempt special orders even after a ship outside the squadron has failed.

Squadroning:
Battlefleet Urdesh has taken significant losses amongst lone capital ships, and morale is low. Any Capital ship that is not part of a squadron, that is the last surviving member of a squadron, or that falls out of formation from its squadron, suffers a -1 ld penalty to all its command checks. The Repulse Class Heavy Battlecruiser is exempt from this rule, as it was purpose built to operate alone.

Fleet Composition:
You MUST take at least one Escort squadron for every TWO Cruisers/Light Cruisers in the fleet.
You MAY take one Battlecruiser for every TWO Cruisers/Light Cruisers in the fleet.
You MAY take one Battleship/Heavy Battlecruiser for every Battlecruiser in the fleet.

Ordnance:
All ships with launch bays additionally carry Torpedo Bombers. This is included in their price. Ships from Battlefleet Urdesh used as reserves in another fleet list lose their torpedo bombers, and they get no discount for this. Repulse and Oberon class ships may take assault boats for +5pts.

[RCgothic]

So this list is a little bit reworked.

I lifted the restriction on ships with lances, so the Apocalypse, Dominion, Gothic, Endurance and Lance Dauntless are back in. I had a slight tweak of points, but the main differences are in the list composition, squadroning and fleet commanders.

Fleet commanders are a new addition. They're compulsory, and they give bonuses to Squadrons. I'm tempted to make the Commodores no leadership bonus, but still the squadron reroll and squadron orders for 30pts total. The others would remain the same.

Squadroning: Thought the MUST Squadron was a little harsh, and also restrictive on choices, so I binned that. Now there's just -1ld if you choose not to.

Composition: Instead of 1:3 on battleships and 1:1 on battlecruisers, I decided to try a different tack. For every two cruisers you buy, you must have at least 1 Escort squadron. 7 cruisers? That will be 3 escort squadrons thanks. This could also be worded: You may buy 2 cruisers for every escort squadron in the fleet. That would be slightly more restrictive, as you'd need 4 escort squadrons to get 7 cruisers. The difference is whether it's rounded up or not. Basically, I think people should be encouraged to take escorts, because escorts are awesome.
Battlecruisers are on a 1:2 basis with cruisers, which means they're also on a 1:1 basis with escorts as well - slightly more restrictive than the standard fleet lists.
Battleships are on a 1:1 basis with Battlecruisers, which means you need 1 battlecruiser, 2 cruisers, and 1 escort squadron before you can take one. That's quite a bit more restrictive than the standard fleet list, but in a way it's required because of the cheaper price - If a Commodore were 30pts, then you could get 2 Vanquishers, 2 Attackers, 4 Silurias and 2x2 Iconoclasts into 1500pts.

Comments?

[RCgothic]

No comments/ideas?

[Plaxor]

Sorry RC, you seem to be suffering a bit of Lastspartacus' problem with his RS ruleset.

[RCgothic]

Do you have any thoughts/comments?

I bet if I proposed it for inclusion in BFG:R it would get comments!

[Plaxor]

Lol. Yeah... I can't include every idea. At least not immediately. After a year or so we should be looking for a 'new' location for a book.

Unfortunately I find BaronI's idea more interesting, and it was already proposed by Zelnik a while back. Even with his massive insanity he does occasionally have good ideas.