@horizon. Its been about 9 months ish since i've had a look at them, I didn't go back due to ongoing projects with my IN fleet, but as the general consensus is that mms is ok then i'll give it another go. I don't know where i'd find the mms rules anymore though (poor memory, sorry) so if you want to give me a link to the mms rules, i'll have a look at them and give them a whirl for a few games and see how they go.