Eldar MMS v2.0

[Xyon]

Its probably been pointed out, but there is a difference in pts for the Hellebore escort.

Hellebore is listed as 75 pts and 80 pts, and really, its all ready the most expensive escort in the game, I like the mine option, but is it worth 5 pts?  Maybe it could be a free swap?  Or I dunno...  upgrade to 3 wb maybe and then the mines could stay 5 pts.

[Valhallan]

yep. looking at some initial math, that could be rad: that is, holofield works over 15cm. holofield requires enemies to reroll successful hits. no shield. 5+ prow, 4+ else. it makes them a little more resilient than now, but without shields, thus they'd be worried about BM damage etc. worthy of a playtest or 5.

[Sigoroth]

Eldar should have shields.

[Plaxor]

I'm starting to wonder if sigoroth is getting tired. His arguments are getting shorter.

Eventually it will be Eldar+shields=yes.

[Sigoroth]

I'm starting to wonder if sigoroth is getting tired. His arguments are getting shorter.

Eventually it will be Eldar+shields=yes.

Heh, or "is Eldar, is shield", "shieldum goooood" or "how come asteroid knew which ship to hit? me brain hurt" 

[Plaxor]

I think that Holofields should just do a re-roll successful hits. No dependence on distance. LO negates this. This is only for direct fire weapons (including nova cannon).

Other targeting abilities grant Eldar a 4+ save against, such as teleport attacks, boarding actions, ramming, etc.

[horizon]

So you are giving a bonus to long range fleets (eg Chaos)?

[Plaxor]

How so? Holofields would work the same at any distance. Chaos has always had an advantage to eldar due to range, and honestly it isn't that big a deal... Eldar can close the distance quite quickly.

The only difference from what was proposed before is that holofields would still work within 15cm.

[Plaxor]

Horizon, I need a Gryphon Knight equivalent for CWE/DE any ideas?

I don't know if you caught on, but all 'secondary' characters will have the Gryphon Knight rule in BFGrev.

[horizon]

Why?

Craftmaster is a nice name.

[Plaxor]

Hmmm... I was thinking Boneweaver. Perhaps increasing the cost of the farseers and allowing them to do the same?

The reasons are to make larger battles less harsh on command checks for one thing, secondarily, the only real fleet with secondary commanders (Chaos) aren't as worthwhile as CSMs. Unless you want a re-roll, or just really need that 10 points.

In FS every fleet will have access to some kind of 'secondary' commander, like the Gryphon Knight, chaos lords, ork warlords etc.

DE will probably just get Drachon.

[horizon]

Farseers should be kept as is.

Only very capable Farseers would take command (eg Eriel on the Cerysheal).

Wayfarer is an Eldar name, but that is more of a helmsman. Boneweaver sounds crap.

[Plaxor]

K Craftsman it is then. Hmmm... let me check my into the expanse...

Damn.... FFG still calls them 'Captains' boring.

[horizon]

Cápì'tain?

[Eddie Orlock]

Cápì'tain?

Needs more umlauts.