Battlefleet Gothic, Armageddon, Bastion list

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Nothing in the fluff indicates the NC is limited to battlecruisers and battleships. +20 points is expensive but as I've shown, one doesn't really lose out a lot on NC spamming even if the Dominator wasn't available and again: the NC is not worth regulating anyway because it is not overpowered.

[lastspartacus]

Right, no doubt.  But torps become alot more attractive with a 20 point price tag on a nova, imo.

Heres an issue I personally see in IN fleets.  Lots of torps.  Lots of novas.  Both get stronger the more you add on, and both look really cool on the table.  It would be nice if a mixed fleet of what it should be, say, a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio of NC to torps, were just as competative, but I can't think of how.

[Plaxor]

How come this became another NC regulation thread? We already have one of those, in the NC limitations thread.

Lets talk about the IN fleet lists....

And yes it's true, the Gothic fleet is a fluff player fleet. I would say leave the dominator there, and then expand its use in a segmentum ultima fleet list (probably a fleet list under the strategic conclave).

[RCgothic]

Heres an issue I personally see in IN fleets.  Lots of torps.  Lots of novas.  Both get stronger the more you add on, and both look really cool on the table.  It would be nice if a mixed fleet of what it should be, say, a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio of NC to torps, were just as competative, but I can't think of how.

Well given how the all-NC fleets have now been annihilated in the 4 reports that were posted, Whilst fleets that don't trade in all their torps tend to win, I would say that a 1-3 or 1-4 ratio is more competitive.

[Plaxor]

Probably. Honestly the NC is a terror weapon, when I play IN I don't use them. I go out of my way to not have one. It's too random and unreliable.

[horizon]

Heres an issue I personally see in IN fleets.  Lots of torps.  Lots of novas.  Both get stronger the more you add on, and both look really cool on the table.  It would be nice if a mixed fleet of what it should be, say, a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio of NC to torps, were just as competative, but I can't think of how.

I see what you did there. Hahah.

Well given how the all-NC fleets have now been annihilated in the 4 reports that were posted, Whilst fleets that don't trade in all their torps tend to win, I would say that a 1-3 or 1-4 ratio is more competitive.

[RCgothic]

Probably. Honestly the NC is a terror weapon, when I play IN I don't use them. I go out of my way to not have one. It's too random and unreliable.

Indeed. They scare noobs who don't know how to deal with them (gasp! Potential 6 hits of damage!) and don't have the experience to know that that hardly ever happens. They brace, they go slowly, they don't close fast enough, and they do end up getting annihilated. But any veteran would probably just kill them at close range with torps anyway.

[Valhallan]

The 'Geddon List: attempt to drop large amounts of overpriced CB's, which is only possible by running terrible CL's. Oberon is cool, Empy is still better (in *most* opinions).

The Bastion List: will the real Cypra Mundi list please stand up? Solid with the Geddon, Vengance, and classy Mars'. No Oby which is funny, but I guess it is an all comers patrol boat on steroids. This really is the way IN should be run. Vet Captains for some flair. Rarity of Dominators represented by reserving them.

Gothic List: Apparently its the bastion list with less ships, and Seg. Ultima flys a bunch of Dominators through the malestrom to end up at Port Maw, weird in retrospect? yep. But it was the original, saying it needs update is like playing 40k Guard with the 3rd edition codex and saying it needs an update too - it happened, its called the Bastion list.

Ultima list? I've been working on and off on some ideas for this. Its the biggest Seg with the smallest fleet, the oldest ships, and a bunch of nids on their hands. Luckily the boys in blue (baby blue) roll around those parts (the boys in red actually kick it there too, and the boys in yellow iirc). Personally my outlines are fluff based and require *gasp* escorts/CL's. then they rock Lunars and dominators GC's and the increasingly rare 1:4 BB.

anywho, 'nuff ranting.

[Plaxor]

Does anyone else think the endeavors should be removed from the obscuras fleet list? This would make the Obscuras list have less bonus ships.

So far Obscuras has 3GCs, 1BB, 1BC, and 3CLs in trade for 1 cruiser. Besides it feels like a voss design ship should sit around Voss.

[horizon]

I somehow oddly agree.

[Plaxor]

So I'm going to include this in flawed ships, basically the only changes will be that the Bastions list won't contain voss cls, and the Armageddon list won't contain RSVs but they will get the Sword per standard. (maybe the cobra too).