@BH was looking at the list yesterday and you were against nearly everything still proposed.
Anyways since you guys have started arguing about the defiant... after arguing about the Avenger....
There are a lot of things that need stapled down for our first write up.
The Retaliator: 3lb per side, doesn't really do anything to alter chaos fleet balance, and yet would flesh out the overcosted ship nicely. Otherwise any other solutions? This only needs one more vote to pass. Baron? Commander? Someone else?
Iconoclast: -5 points, there is something about this ship that feels like it should be slightly cheaper. As we are balancing every escort as in comparison to the sword. So for 5 points the sword gains an extra turret, 5+ armor (1/3 survivability) and 1wb. It loses 5cm speed. Doesn't look worth it here.
Compared to a brute, the iconoclast gains 1wb, lfr guns, and 5cm speed. It loses the ram ability, and 6+ front armor.
According to smotherman the ship should cost 25.5 points. Considering all the 'good' escorts are discounted a few points (brute at 3 less, sword at 1 less etc) this should be on the less than side of cost when rounding.
Cobras comparatively would cost 29.5 much closer to their current price.
As far as the gc upgrades go. I don't know if any will pass, other than torps. Honestly I don't think the GCs should get any weaponry, other than torps, but I could live with it if they did. Please vote on these
The apocalypse... does anyone else want sigs blast marker idea? it is probably the best way of representing the apocalypses detriment IMO.
The exorcist. like the retaliator got swept under the rug. Horizon and I are of course against increasing launch capacity on imperial ships. And the vessel is just fine where it is with our current change. Vaaish voted against this, but I don't think he's part of the conversation anymore. So two? more people would need to vote for it.
The Avenger: I think people got tired of arguing about this one. I still want to hear about peoples thoughts on the two compromise ideas; making one an upgrade of the other or increasing the ships firepower and making a portion 45cm.
The defiant: the more time goes on the more I agree with sigoroth.... Come on... this is a light carrier, it's supposed to have fewer squadrons.
So far proposed changes:
Swap prow lances for prow&dorsal wbs, as well as prow torps.
add prow torps
Add 1 prow lance, make F only, swappable with torps
make it have 4 LBs increase cost.
I'd like to see you guys rank these on a number system. 1 being the one you want most, 4 being the least.