List of flawed ships

[Plaxor]

Updated IN again. Everything is quite pristine, although still missing Charybdis, the Gothic BC (It's on the same absent page) and stuff for the Vanguard.

I'm going to work on chaos/eldar and I'll come back when I get more information. (I.E. Seeing IA10, and BFK)

RC, Commentary?

[horizon]

Battlefleet Koronus is on its way to me.

And, perhaps, I can read my own name in it. And perhaps they (FFG) listened to me, well at least one thing I said has been adopted.

[Plaxor]

Updated Traitor fleets.

Should get to Eldar tomorrow. Basically going to take MMS1.9 and push it into my format, and change what Heroes do.

The hard part will be Dark eldar, who need to be changed to the style of MMS. Horizon, got my back?

[horizon]

Hey Horizon,

got what back?

DE, I have no clue. From one point of view changes to them should be subtle.  Consenus has never been found on ideas except free mimic engines.

[Taggerung]

What about for DE we put together a battleship?

[RCgothic]

Hey Horizon,

got what back?

DE, I have no clue. From one point of view changes to them should be subtle.  Consenus has never been found on ideas except free mimic engines.

'Got Your Back' is a phrase that means 'I'll keep a look out for you whilst you perform the task, particularly in those areas you may not be able to see yourself'.

In this context, Plaxor is asking if you mind the incorporation of MMS into BFG:R, and in particular if you have any comments about the way in which it is done.

As for BBs for Eldar/DE, I believe there's an issue with the maximum size of Webway gates. How does the Void Stalker get around? If the Void Stalker can manage it, so too should a DE BB.

[horizon]

lol,...

Well, long time ago Plaxor asked MMS to be included and I said go ahead. As to v1.9 some nigglings need to be sorted (the cl restriction...doh...).
As for holofields I say keep as is untill the only-holo idea which is balanced comes into existence.

As for battleships: Craftworlds have gates that hold entire fleets. So no issue there.

More a choice of : do they want a battleship?

[Taggerung]

My buddy Jim plays DE and would really like some more variety to his fleet. His chief complaint is having to take escorts to take his cruisers...perhaps as a compromise we can lower that requirement. Perhaps for every 2 cruisers you must take a squadron of escorts?

[Plaxor]

for DE I was actually thinking that only Tortures would be limited by escorts, and that you could take any number of Succubus CLs.

The DE have a GC-Type option.

[Phthisis]

Commorragh has gates big enough.  Remember the Sally barge that crashed straight into the city in order to extract the first which was captured by Vect?

Brainstorming;
I'd like to see a bit more emphasis on disabling and boarding for the DE.  How about escorts designed to board bigger ships when used in a group, kind of like Ork Brutes are escorts designed to ram larger ships.  Also I think their big assault harpoon needs upgrading.  With the new fluff it also doesn't make sense that DE would get weak in boarding actions after the 1st round of a boarding action.  How about a weapon that allows them to place blast markers in empty space?

[Taggerung]

Yea get rid of the requirements for the light cruisers. They do have an option to take one GC, however some variety in the fleet would be nice.

[Plaxor]

DE has Agressive which is the same +1 modifier as Orks and Chaos. The subsequent round thing was pointless, and boarding actions don't continue anymore.

DE have the option to purchase both Incubi Bodyguard, and Wych Cults, which give them Frenzied, and Elite Cadre respectively. So they shouldn't have any issue with boarding.

The Impalers will likely have their resilient save go to 3+ to keep up with fighters.

[Phthisis]

Ive heard from several DE players that they believe the Impaler isn't worth it, both from Jim & on other forums. 

Wyches in force on a Kabal warship doesn't seem right to me.  Same is true for Wyches being used as marines.  Their style of combat and armament is the exact opposite of what is needed for ship board combat.

It seems to me that a culture that subsists purely on raiding and piracy would be more on equal footing when it comes to boarding actions, if not having the upper hand.  I'd like to see the DE fleet function around crippling while they close and finishing off target vessels by boarding.  Some escort class vessels designed to board enemy escorts and cruisers when used in a group would add somd flavor and make DE stand apart IMHO.  Plus some cool DE   specific weaponry would help differentiate them from other eldar since youre making DE  use MMS now.

[Plaxor]

Horizon, you are named in BFK congrats

[horizon]

Cool!