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Offline horizon

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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2010, 01:24:27 PM »
The rule:

Using Renegade Imperial Vessels: In the ten millennia since the Horus Heresy, countless warship crews have mutinied against their officers or colluded with them to renounce their vows to the Imperium and turn renegade, especially during the Gothic War and the 13th Black Crusade. While some classes have proven more prone to this taint than others, almost no ship class has proven entirely immune to the allure of Chaos or the promise of easy wealth, power and riches by using the awesome might of an Imperial warship to scour the merchant lanes for profit or carve out a niche or fiefdom from some poorly-defended backwater. For every 1500 points in a Chaos fleet, it may contain up to one cruiser from any Imperial Navy fleet list up to 185 points. No special refits or rules may be taken for Imperial Navy vessels used in this manner. Additionally, it may include up to four Imperial Navy escorts. These need not be in a single squadron and may be interspersed within other Chaos escort squadrons if desired. While they should ideally be painted to represent their status, they may only recently have turned renegade and need not necessarily be painted to match the Chaos fleet!

Hmmm, Cobra's in a Chaos fleet... to replace Infidels. Swords.... hmmm.... 8)
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2010, 02:11:56 PM »
Oh I see, it's only 1500 pts. I was going by your earlier 1000 pts entry. However, it isn't limited to 185 pts or less. Any non-NC cruiser. So Armageddon, Overlord, Exorcist, Avenger, Dictator, Tyrant, Lunar, Gothic, Defiant,  Endurance, Endeavour and Dauntless.
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2010, 02:21:18 PM »
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Maxed at 185pts. I always said 1500 iirc. :)
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2010, 02:36:33 PM »
Quote from: horizon on November 30, 2010, 02:21:18 PM
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Maxed at 185pts. I always said 1500 iirc. :)

Um, I just checked the the latest draft. It says nothing about a 185 pt max, though it specifically mentions non-NC ships. And you did say 1000 pts at first.

Quote from: horizon on November 28, 2010, 07:38:15 PM
As mentioned per new rules (FAQ? or Draft...? forgot) Chaos can take 1 Imperial Navy ship per 1000pts. Thus a light cruiser available to Chaos. :)

See.



Edit: Oh, and you can include up to 6 escorts, not 4.
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2010, 02:39:25 PM »
lol,
I copied that rule from the latest online version...Powers of Chaos,

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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2010, 02:41:49 PM »
Quote from: horizon on November 30, 2010, 02:39:25 PM
lol,
I copied that rule from the latest online version...Powers of Chaos,

I quoted the lastest online version ... 2010 FAQ. Obviously some form of update is needed ot one or the other.
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2010, 02:45:06 PM »
Truth. I'll pm Nate.
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2010, 08:22:18 AM »
Sometimes I feel a little sorry, when I read the comments about BoN. I spent nearly evere free time during 9 month of 2007 writing, editing, formatting etc. this book (at least 80% of BoN is my work).  :'(
We've written fluff of entire sector, 2 fleet lists, a lot of scenarios, a lot of lacking of elements of the game (like appeal charts and refits) and a few other things and... nobody cares. Because there are Chaos light cruisers! And nobody cares that they are not intended to be used in standard Chaos Incursion list (as even noted in the rule). Hardly anyone reads the Warhost Nemesis fleet list, where ChLC find they place. Also nobody cares that "Ships of Nemesis Sector" chapter mostly about light cruisers (2 Chaos, 2 Chaos/Imperial, Dark Eldar, Necron, Tau, Eldar ones...).

BTW. I know that there is a common "I've got little..." upsss.... "Chaos has Slaugher" complex, but IHMO the argument that Chaos do not need ChLCs because they got Slaughter is like saying i.e. Imperial do not need Overlord, because they got Retribution... I never do not understand the cult of this cheap ship with very limited tactical usage.

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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2010, 11:06:36 AM »
Don't be sorry  ;)
It's just that if ppl don't like something (their gut tells them to), they try to find a "reasonable" justification for their opinion. This usually has very little to do with a all-round-evaluation, and usually just works on a basis of finding some elements which can be exemplified  as negative, then deriving a general negative assessment from examples. The context is usually skipped and then forgotten.  Just as in this case.
This just points to a very imperfect method of evaluation, but not to the value of BoN.
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2010, 12:25:26 PM »
Well, *I* liked it.  The idea that chaos just throws out all the light cruisers they ever get seems a bit silly to me.  I mean, they did leave with half the imperial fleet.  Someone had to have gotten short straw and got the light cruiser. 
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2010, 12:34:37 PM »
Well, I liked it as well.

But, MKG, I know the burden of throwing out a supplement and then getting only sparse amount of comments. Then again most supplements are made because I like making them.

Soon: Distant Sun. :)
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2010, 02:20:15 PM »
Well, v1 of BoN was downloaded as soon it came available, as is v2. Not happy with some ships, very happy with others.  Good work.
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2010, 04:48:30 PM »
Probably there will be not BoN vol.2.
But the next project on the Cypra's horizon could be "The Book of Incunabilis"...
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2010, 05:19:25 AM »
I really like the light cruisers.  I made a Heretic!  I'll post a pic of it to prive I bastardised a cruiser to make one :)
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Re: Book of Nemesis?
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2010, 05:36:17 AM »
Quote from: lastspartacus on December 06, 2010, 05:19:25 AM
I really like the light cruisers.  I made a Heretic!  I'll post a pic of it to prive I bastardised a cruiser to make one :)

I made a Schismatic class.  It was fun.
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