Is FAQ2010 what we actually need?

[Mazila]

For raids when chaos is attacker or for low pts games light cruiser could work really well.

Heretic is 130 pts, has 6x30 port and starboard wb and 6x30 prow wb, 30cm speed, 90 degree turn, 1 shield, 6 hp and 1 turret.

Now tell me where this does no fit a chaos style or weather it is better than a slaughterer.

[RCgothic]

AFAICT, the argument so far has not been that an LC would be better than a Slaughter, but that for a few points more the Slaughter completely annihilates any LC concept you'd care to mention.

The profile you just mentioned for example. For just 35pts more a Slaughter outguns it so much it's hillarious, and is faster and tougher to boot.

[Zelnik]

thus, the LC argument goes out the window. Unless you make a LC design that is effective a at 100 points, your probably not going to get far.

[Lord Duggie The Mad]

I'd have to agree that the Slaughter class cruiser is probably going to be superior to most, if not all, light cruisers even if it is a little more expensive.  Kit it up with a mark of Khorne and it quickly becomes a terrifying prospect should you try to board the enemy.  Sorry, but it would be one hard sell to persuade me away from them.

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

For raids when chaos is attacker or for low pts games light cruiser could work really well.

Heretic is 130 pts, has 6x30 port and starboard wb and 6x30 prow wb, 30cm speed, 90 degree turn, 1 shield, 6 hp and 1 turret.

Now tell me where this does no fit a chaos style or weather it is better than a slaughterer.

For 35 more points, I get FP2 more WB, Str 2 lances, 1 more shield, 2 more hp, 2 more turret and a better AAF. The ship stats alone (increased HP, shields and turret) would cover the 35 points. The lances and better AAF put it over the top.

[Mazila]

So if the Slaughterer is so much effective than heretic, then there should be no problem making it official. Those who think different will take it from time to time, those who don't are not affected anyway. Just make it rare - say 0-1 light cruiser and thats it. I think heretic can go 5aaf as well. I am just saying for some instances like small raids it may be useful

[Zelnik]

yes, there is a problem. It's a waste of space, and needlessly clutters up the fleet list.

[Mazila]

yes, there is a problem. It's a waste of space, and needlessly clutters up the fleet list.

Your argument is a waste of space    1 ship makes no difference for such purpose. And it can easily be added in the upcomming Power of Chaos PDF instead of one of those battlebarge or carrier variants that Chaos does not need!

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

So if the Slaughterer is so much effective than heretic, then there should be no problem making it official. Those who think different will take it from time to time, those who don't are not affected anyway. Just make it rare - say 0-1 light cruiser and thats it. I think heretic can go 5aaf as well. I am just saying for some instances like small raids it may be useful

How small a raid are you talking about? 150 points where you can't include the Slaughter?

[Mazila]

Yeah for instance. But i mean in general for some builds this ship is actually very synergetic with slaughterer if squardroned together

[Atog]

You know, imperial LCs  was designed to compensate relatively slow speed and low maneuverability of an IN line cruisers.

But chaos has 25cm speed in masses,  even for some battleships.

So I don't see any reason to  give them light cruiser.
Light cruiser with the speed of fastest IN escorts especially.

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Yeah for instance. But i mean in general for some builds this ship is actually very synergetic with slaughterer if squardroned together

And it would be better than 2 Slaughters?

[Mazila]

Yeah for instance. But i mean in general for some builds this ship is actually very synergetic with slaughterer if squardroned together

And it would be better than 2 Slaughters?

Ofcourse not, because slauhterer is more point-cost effective. But it might be usefull if you need those 35 pts somwhere else.

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

It's Chaos. Why would it need to shift the 35 points to something else? What would it need? Re-roll? Escort?

[Mazila]

I might need for anything. From the top of my head - to upgrade murder to hades for instance.