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Offline horizon

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Inquisition DRAFT v1.5 (HA)
« on: November 23, 2010, 04:27:36 AM »
http://tinyurl.com/23nul8q  

I started a new thread for this.

My view:

Battleship
Overlord Weaponry.
+3 shields, +3 turrets, +4 hits.
Is that all worth 120points?

Grand Cruiser
Again Overlord weaponry but less range on dorsal lances.
6+ armour all around instead of prow only.
Is that worth 55points?

Strike Cruiser
Be with it. :)

Fleet list
Do count grey knight cruisers as cruisers in a fleet to get a battleship/grand cruiser slot available?

The Xenos Inquisitor, albeit most expensive (5pts), is much more useful then the other two as far as I can see. The downfall (more enemy escorts can be 'woosh' or annoying. ;)

Ordnance: is the replacement of the launch bays a must or a may?

I like the document and its background alot.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2011, 06:51:39 AM by horizon »

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 04:34:22 AM »
I don't even get why the Inquisition has to get a battleship or grand cruisers. Cruiser sized vessels should be enough for them since they favor discreet tactics. Kinda obvious that an investigation is under way when the Blackship arrives in system.

So who's brainstorm is this this time?

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 04:38:12 AM »
Bob had a barge sized black ship back in the days.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 04:38:48 AM »
I'd make a rule that they can only take a BB for an Exterminatus mission.  It would be fluffier.
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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 04:43:05 AM »
Bob had a barge sized black ship back in the days.

Which still doesn't make sense.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 05:35:27 AM »
I rather enjoy the old blackship design, thanks.

This pdf is a rather depressing joke for such a great portion of the fluff.

Though, lets face it, all you need for an inquisition fleet is a black ship and a space marine/imperial fleet.

Inquisitors rarely have fleets of their own, they usually co-opt other fleets for their needs.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2010, 06:02:03 AM »
Oh cool. I've got a special place on my desktop reserved for these rules. It's called the 'Recycle Bin'.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 06:32:48 AM »
lol, this will be a depressing read for the HA.

Zelnik, the fleet list is like you describe by the way (blackship (or similar) in addition to Marine, AdMech, IN fleet).

Also: Inquisitors travel by any means. If they deem a fast clipper the best solution they'll take it.

Inquisitors should in my opinion be characters (with special rules) that can be added to IN, AdMech, Marines or Rogue Traders.
In essence.

Blackships as special add on. Black ships may come in variety. (I like the Grand Cruiser approach more the the barge to be honest).

But Blackships =/= Inquisition.
Seperate branch I'd say.



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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 06:40:53 AM »
lol, this will be a depressing read for the HA.

Jeez I hope so.

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Also: Inquisitors travel by any means. If they deem a fast clipper the best solution they'll take it.

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Inquisitors should in my opinion be characters (with special rules) that can be added to IN, AdMech, Marines or Rogue Traders.

I have a similar opinion, that differs only in one minor aspect. I would change that to read: "Inquisitors should in my opinion be characters (without special rules) that can be added to IN, AdMech, Marines or Rogue Traders."

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Blackships as special add on. Black ships may come in variety. (I like the Grand Cruiser approach more the the barge to be honest).

Hmm, I was thinking more along the lines of a transport ship, or a heavy transport.

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But Blackships =/= Inquisition.
Seperate branch I'd say.

Agreed.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2010, 10:20:20 AM »
One of those rare ocasions when I totally agree with Sigoroth

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2010, 01:56:37 PM »
Well, I'm going to swim against the tide to say that I really like where this is going. I think there is a space for players that want to play highly upgraded versions of standard ships. Adeptus Mechanicus should have done this, but the randomness in the list is a huge turnoff for players that like to tinker.

Some suggestions:

The Black Ship - I like the general direction; heavily protected but undergunned. However, I think the Black Ship should be more carrier and lance based than it currently is. Remember that the weapons systems are there purely to protect the ship, and AC have a defensive, as well as offensive, role to play. I also doubt that the Inquisiton would rely on standard transports to uplift their precious, psychic cargo, so perhaps resilient Thunderhawks would be a fit?

Because the Black Ship is going to want to escape pursuers (such as the torpedo escorts that destroyed the planet killer) it is not going to want to have to maneuver (always bad for a battle ship) to bring it's guns to bear. So a strong dorsal lance array would be fitting; the hangars could be on the side of the vessel, much like on the Emperor.

Any reason why it is not 6+ armour? I'm also not sold on the torpedos - what would it need torpedos for?

This ship has potential, but it currently feels confused, and I'm not clear what it would actually do in a game of BFG. Being able to soak fire is great, but I just don't see my opponent's bothering to shoot at it right now.

Grand Inquisitorial Cruiser - I like the concept very much, but why have you used cruiser base stats rather than grand cruiser base stats (given the name)? I see this more as a center piece rather than as a line ship, so perhaps it could use a few more side-grade options, to reflect the individualistic nature of Inquisitors? Alternatively, perhaps just drop the "grand"?

Grey Knight SC - A nice touch.

Inquisitor Ordos - I like the direction, but not the execution. First, if you feel something is too powerful, then up the points cost. Don't make games (or tournaments) complicated by modifying your opponent's fleet list. Second, kill the random factor. Randomness is a huge part of why the AM fleetlist was such a disappointment. Rolling for upgrades kills strategy and tactics.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2010, 02:14:32 PM »
I really hate disliking something that so much work apparently went into.  I'll try again tomorrow, maybe the morning will bring new revelations.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2010, 06:15:09 PM »
I rather enjoy the old blackship design, thanks.


Me too. Bob Henderson's old model is amazing, and I built one. However, since it requires the sacrifice of a plastic cruiser, a strike cruiser and a battlebarge to make one, we can't make that model the standard. however, an AdMech cruiser fits the bill quite nicely.

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This pdf is a rather depressing joke for such a great portion of the fluff.


Uh, thanks?  :P ;D

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Though, lets face it, all you need for an inquisition fleet is a black ship and a space marine/imperial fleet.

Inquisitors rarely have fleets of their own, they usually co-opt other fleets for their needs.


Exactly right. THAT'S why nowhere in this document do you see anything about an Inquisition fleet list.    :)

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2010, 06:16:49 PM »
Bob had a barge sized black ship back in the days.

Which still doesn't make sense.

No, actually it was cruiser-sized. In fact, his ship is the exact ship in the top graphic for an Inquisitorial Cruiser.

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Re: Inquisition DRAFT v1.0 (HA)
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2010, 06:32:07 PM »
lol, this will be a depressing read for the HA.

Jeez I hope so.


Nope. It’s a sad day indeed when I get depressed over responses from a fan list!  :D

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Also: Inquisitors travel by any means. If they deem a fast clipper the best solution they'll take it.

This ^


Exactly right, actually. It even says so in the first paragraph detailing Inquisition cruisers.

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Blackships as special add on. Black ships may come in variety. (I like the Grand Cruiser approach more the the barge to be honest).

Hmm, I was thinking more along the lines of a transport ship, or a heavy transport.

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But Blackships =/= Inquisition.
Seperate branch I'd say.

Agreed.

You are both right. Blackships are enormous, very well-defended transports. Inquisitorial cruisers are not- they are powerful, purpose-built or refitted warships seconded or ceded to the Inquisition for their express use. They will take many forms, they will be good both offensively and defensively, and their Inquisitors will probably call them Blackships, mainly because they can. Cruisers are impressive, but Blackships invoke raw fear, an emotion more useful to an Inquisitor's needs. By the way, the League of Blackships used to be its own organization before the Horus Heresy. Now they are run by the Inquisition. EVERYTHING in fluff post-heresy referring to Blackships have the Inquisition in the same sentence.

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