Inquisition DRAFT v1.5 (HA)

[lastspartacus]

You just included weapons stats, which was against what zelnik was arguing in the first place, which my statement was arguing against. 
And my point was it wouldnt be a battleship if its weapons were reduced.

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Well, the stats themselves are quite a factor in proving that the proposed Black Ship is a battleship regardless of what Nate says about it not being a battleship. Battleship chassis stats with battleship weaponry and strength usually means it is a battleship. Now if it had battlship chassis size but cruiser weapons and strength, then it would mainly be an oversized cruiser. If it had battleship weaponry but the chassis stats of a transport then it would be a strong Armed Merchant Transport.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't be putting 100,000 psykers on one ship anyway. Especially one that would be difficult to destroy if Chaos manages to get its clutches on it by having it defect.

[BaronIveagh]

It's the 'walks like a duck, quacks like a duck' argument.  To use an example from History, 'They're battlecruisers, not Versailles Treaty violating battleships..."

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Well, the Deutschlands and Scharnhorsts weren't really battleships anyway. They were definitely battlecruisers and had weaker batteries than the real battleships and even most of the battlecruisers of the time.

[RCgothic]

But the argument is still valid. This Black Ship has too much offensive firepower, and too much attack weaponry such as torps and lances.

[Mazila]

I like the idea from Nemesis where they use only ships without lance armament but allow to take str 3 dorsal BC to any imperial cruiser for +10 points

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

But the argument is still valid. This Black Ship has too much offensive firepower, and too much attack weaponry such as torps and lances.

Using the Deutschlands and Scharnhorsts as examples of "walks like a duck..." is incorrect though. I do understand what the idea is. That the Black Ship IS a battleship especially it's current loadout.

[flybywire-E2C]

Hi everyone!! There’s a big set of updates today!  If you want to get to it, click the link below.

http://tinyurl.com/23nul8q*

Inquisition DRAFT 1.2: Made a few small tweaks based on fan input and corrected some accidental omissions. If you hated the last document, hopefully you will hate this one less. Keep in mind that this is supposed to be a characterful, scenario driven addition to the Imperial fleet lists and is NOT a fleet list in and of itself.

- Nate

[lastspartacus]

Hmm.  Blackship.

Battlecruiser weapon levels.  Cruiser range.  Battleship+ level defenses.  Love it!
How much did you fudge on points to get it up to 325?  I'd make it 6+ all around armor.

[Gron]

The GK termies made it into the list. Despite that I'd love to have the option of having these on several GK-SC I feel that it is very unfluffy to ever see more than one of these in operation at any given time. =)

[lastspartacus]

6+ armor on the Blackship, Nate?  Think it should be so.

[RCgothic]

Draft 3.2, P5, Stryxis Trade Cruiser Notes box has this error:

"It functions as a standard lance in all respects. It functions as a standard lance in all respects."

[Plaxor]

Draft 3.2, P5, Stryxis Trade Cruiser Notes box has this error:

"It functions as a standard lance in all respects. It functions as a standard lance in all respects."

I'm pretty sure this wording is actually necessary. It [indeed] functions as a standard lance in all respects. Just has to tell you twice to make sure that you don't think that it doesn't.

[Golgotha]

Good morning.  I am new to the BFG community and have been lurking on the boards for some time.  Decided to join in the discussions as I have read through and felt I had some items that may contribute to the overall product.

First, I was wondering about the Inquisitor as fleet commander.  The core rules seem to imply that the fleet co0mmander is a 0-1 chioce for an entire fleet.  So, I am just wondering if that means that an Inquistor, if taken, would count as a 0-1 fleet commander or if it would be in addition to the fleet commander of any given Imperial fleet.  I wonder because fluff indicated that an Inquisitor can either take direct command of a set of forces or issue his directives through the commander of those forces.  This opens the possibility that the Inquisitor could either be the fleet commander or in addition to the fleet commander of the the fleet that the Inquisitor is included in with being able to only have 0-1 Inquisitors per fleet.

Second is just a point of clarification.  In the Ordo Xenos inquisitor entry, it specifies Xenos ships for boarding actions and for the extra points worth of escorts that are available to the Xenos fleet without directly clarifying what fleets count as Xenos fleets.  I figure the fleets being referenced include corsair and craftworld eldar, dark eldar, necrons, tyranids, and tau and their allies.  I exclude Chaos as they are not technically xenos but comitted to the Warp and it's 4 Powers.  I also wonder how this would interact with Rogue Traders that have Xenos vevssels in their fleet as well as any Imperial fleet that takes a Rogue Trader that includes Xenos vessels(This obviously exlcudes any fleets that have Space Marine vessels) .

Third is just a minor edit under the Ordo Malleus Inquisitor to make it read more easily.  Chaos fleets are noted for being able to upgrade one ship to Daemon status or take one Mark of Chaos without cost per Grey Knights strike cruiser. It would flow more smoothly if it were worded "The enemy Chaos fleet may add one Mark of Chaos or upgrade a cruisser to a daemonship at no cost for each Grey Knights strike cruiser in the fleet."

Have a great day!

[lastspartacus]

Pst.  Blackship needs 6+ all around armor.  Recommend 15cm speed as well.