So What's your Tournament Fleet?

[horizon]

Right to the core:

Adepticon has been won twice by this fleet:

1500pts
3x Explorer, 2x Hero, 9x Orca, 3x Defender, Kor & Aun.

Now, design me a fleet that can take on this fleet. That fleet must also be able do deal with Eldar (Corsair & Craftworld) and other races.

Above Tau fleet is allround. It gives many out there a run for its money. Can you make a fleet that is able to withstand? Non-tailored.

[Sigoroth]

Right to the core:

Adepticon has been won twice by this fleet:

1500pts
3x Explorer, 2x Hero, 9x Orca, 3x Defender, Kor & Aun.

Now, design me a fleet that can take on this fleet. That fleet must also be able do deal with Eldar (Corsair & Craftworld) and other races.

Above Tau fleet is allround. It gives many out there a run for its money. Can you make a fleet that is able to withstand? Non-tailored.

I could easily design a fleet list that would be just as competitive against all comers, including this one. This:

1500 pts
3x Explorer, 3x Hero, 6x Orca, 1x Defender, Kor'el & Aun'el

See, piece of piss. 

[horizon]

lol, At least you see the point of it.... now for other races

Void Stalker
+ Nightshades.
Done.
(Volandum tm)

[fracas]

Necron, eldar and space marine would all be competitive against either tau fleet posted

[Sigoroth]

Necron, eldar and space marine would all be competitive against either tau fleet posted

Eh, I think the 17-18 lances of the Tau fleets might be enough to give Necron/SM pause. No doubt there would not be a stitch of usable terrain on the board, since we're talking tournament fleets here, so the Eldar would probably get raped too.

[horizon]

Necron, perhaps, if they leave out Shrouds and escorts (small ones) and use tremendous speed to go past the Tau, but still.... hard time.

Eldar, well, Adepticon features terrain (planets I know for certain) but bombers do not care for terrain.


Marines I see down soon. Strike Cruisers will just be eaten by the Orca's. Do see that the Hero's bring 2x4 lances and the Orca's 9. Relentless bombing runs (with fighter support if needed) will hunt the Marine escorts. And a Barge will dread the same lances and bombing runs, 6+ armour is good, but with 3 turrets, bombers will get their hits.

The Imperial Navy could try a Nova Cannon spam. But that means leaving out factors like the Emperor (which is tournament ideal ship) and Gothic.

[fracas]

Bombers even resilient ones don't do much against armor 6 (and or turrets 2+) or holofield

[horizon]

.... 28 bombers will do. Against Eldar:
Bombers as individual markers. Each bombers when in contact with base rolls a d6 unmodified by turrets. Those attacks have a 50% chance of doing a hit. Those hits have a 16% chance of killing ship (holo 2+). The other 83% generate a blastmarker. The Eldar can be killed by that blastmarker at 16% chance again.

Armour 6 is not much vs that amount of bombers and as said, they bring enough lances around as well.

And against Eldar the Orca's carry batteries to harass.

[tanith]

this tau list can easily do big damages in the fisrt run of bombers&torpedo waves....after that are you sure to be able to pass every "reload ordnance"???hero&orca need also "lock on"...many orders to do with base discipline and only 2 reroll(useful also for brace for impact)...one failed order in the first ships and you are in troubles...using reroll is necessary but if you need them after forBFI???(at least imperials carriers fleets have the cobra with +2D,chaos carriers fleets can use CSM for +1Din carriers...)I think tau in Bfg cannot be too strong...
for your question Tyranids are very strong....speaking about fleet engagment:
kraken with 6wb are not frightned so much by mantas or torpedoes(6+armor,4+ save) and cruisers & hiveships with 4 spores (and if you do the wrong choice to permit it to the adversary also 6 spores) are not so much worried about them.....they have also many ordanance too(not like you,but not few...)and if they start first.....they can come very close to you (now +4d6 inAAF)...in your turn you can damage them and obtain victory points...then in their second turn they catch you.....and you not will escape (lucky with dices is not considered )

[horizon]

Yes, Nids is an interesting choice. A point of note is the fact that it is a bit unclear what will happen to evolution of the hivemind outside a campaign section: allowed or not. But is that Nid fleet able against all foes?

If the Tau squadron the 3 Explorers only 1 Special Order is indeed for all 3 to reload.

But, yes, the main weakness in that Tau fleet is string of bad Special Order dice when it comes to Reloading.
The Hero and the Orca's could benefit from Lock On but do not need it to be succesfull.

(ps isn't my fleet but I liked the Imperial Navy thread at warseer discussing this Tau fleet I wanted to broaden the scope).

[fracas]

But you also got to factor in explorers have 1 shield and moves 15cm

[tanith]

For tyranids in our group we allow  evolution of the hivemind for Background reasons(we like variety)but tyr player avoids monstruosity like 14p and 6 spores hiveships for balancing reasons...nice compromise i think..
that fleet has2 hiveships with 14hp ,4 spores and D9 (one carrier,one allWB),1 cruiser with 4 spores,many kraken(6wb), 12 escort drones,vanguard drones, fighters... I dont remember all numbers....what do you think?

if you make a 3 carriers squadron you do a single R.O...sure...but after?in the adversary turn if he shoots to one explorer you let him damage and maybe break or destroy it or you go to B.F.I??going to B.F.I  doesn't force you to not reload with all3 ships in your next turn?have we applied a wrong rule for 3 years??
you are forced to lethim destroy one ship of the squadrons or you are forced to renounce to your waves next turn....we never use carriers squadron for this reason,are we wrong?

[horizon]

Yes. Slow movement is beneficial to this Tau fleet. 1 shield ain't good at all, you first have to reach them though.

Chaos will have a cut here: nice ordnance availabilit, 60cm weapons, good at boarding.

Then why is Chaos always cutting low at tournaments? Odd isn't it.



Tanith as said, Tau move slow, it'll take some before you can make them BFI (unless nova cannon spam and then the Tau won't squadron).

You apply the bfi rule correct.

[fracas]

Yes chaos very flexible so I am not sure why they don't do better in tourneys

Jack of all traits master of none?


I don't think 15cm move is and advantage because with blast markers they have to choose between turning and reloading ordnance

Orcas, as good as they are die quickly to assault boats with the current rules

[horizon]

Tau do not need to be afraid of enemy assault boats:
a) not all races have them
b) Tau have so much ordnance the enemy will think twice about not using fighters

Tau explorers choose good heading at starts that afterwards turning is of less worry. Like an Emperor BB.

Chaos is master of long range gunnery, assault boats and above average speedy ships.