So What's your Tournament Fleet?

[lastspartacus]

So, more expensive explorer, nerf the hero, and buff the light cruiser.  That about fix things?

[tanith]

i hope you have forgotten smileys....
what do you think:coud be introduced possibles upgrades(to be paied) to Explorers and Hero to rapresent newer versions and new tecnologies?
the only ship that needs changes i think is merchant....(and kroot warsphere maybe)
my 2 cents

[fracas]

Give merchant option to take 3-4 hooks and maybe +1 shield

Kroot sphere has upgrade options now just need down grade options

[tanith]

where are the new rules for kroot?i have not seen them in the 2010 pdf....
for merchant can I suggest also some upgrade for their speed?to rapresent  newer versions....15cm speed for a third expansion sphere age light cruiser is ...bad

[fracas]

In the proposed changes to the forgeworld tau pdf

[horizon]

So far no one has made an allround fleet list which could take on mentioned Tau fleet.

[Caine-HoA]

I think the fleet you mentioned is strong but not unbeatable.

It is a bit luck dependent as well with many bombers and many leadership rolls. I still think a Chaos fleet with several 3 turret ships for example has good chances (i dont know why they suck in tournaments, maybe chaos players play too chaotic :-D ) they could stay at a distance using their lances while beeing able to defend themselves with high turret values and some fighters (even close ranged batteries could take on incoming ordnance if the tau doesnt close in.

Orcas shouldnt be too hard to destroy with AC (even taus fighters cant be everywhere). The fleet also has the problem that it has to stick together. The two heroes alone cant take enough fire.

After all its theory and each game is a bit different.

I had a lot of games with tau sometimes they own and sometimes your bombers just dont do anything. Especially vs a high turret chaos fleet i had problems, vs orcs i almost always won (low turrets...).

[fracas]

So far no one has made an allround fleet list which could take on mentioned Tau fleet.

aren't you a proponent of an untailored take on all comer list?

[horizon]

Yes I am, therefor I want to see an allround fleet.

It must be able to thwart that Tau fleet but also all other threats.

[Zhukov]

Against that fleet? Well you could always use an Ad Mech Fleet and hope for a lot of fleet defence turrets?

-Zhukov

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

I'd take it on using my Chaos fleet list. Will lose out on the ordnance war but my Chaos can get in the first strike usually.

[Zhukov]

^Actually admiral I think losing out on the ordnance war means he will get the first strike. And with as many attack craft as he will have.... it will hurt.

With an Ad Mech fleet, you get the +1 turrets on every capital ship. So it forces the Tau player to use fighters for a turret-suppression mode. If the Ad Mech player uses his carriers to launch fighters only, he can either knock down tau torps or the escorting fighters. And the Ad Mech can have good range on their ships so it could be a decent fleet to field.

I'm thinking the core could look like this?

Oberon
Dictator
2x Gothics

-Zhukov

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

I have 60 cm lances. his ordnance won't get to me as he first has to get through my ordnance. Anything left has to get through my turrets. And I have 7 ships which are generally faster than his. I'm sure I will get the first strike in most of the times.

[Vaaish]

IIRC the tau list that horizon is referencing has something like 25 launch bays. Those bays launch resilient bombers. Are you positive you'll have such an easy time dropping them before they get to you?

[Zhukov]

28 Launch Bays actually. Look at the first post. It's a doozy. The tactic I imagine will be to hide on one end of the table and force you to come to him. All while ordnance is being fired at ya.

-Zhukov