Well, yes, i think that adding the option to take battleships that were not meant for them WILL break the game, thanks for reading my mind.
Really? How so? A ship with 6+/5+ or even just 5+ armor, 4 shields and 4 turrets and focused mainly on WBs with 2-3 lances and/or AC/Torps will break the game? You exaggerate too much. I'm even willing to bet you haven't tried it. I have. Doesn't make much difference. It's still supported by powerful LCs. That's about it.SM still have a hard time in fleet actions.
Yes, you are guilty of fanboyism because you simply can't listen to reason when people post other suggestions that would make more sense, and trying to give them things they neither need nor deserve. I don't even understand why your having problems with the fleet as it stands, I have a 3000 point grey knights fleet that has a very good win record, and the last tournament that i played in had a space marine player come in second place.
I have been listening to other people and their suggestions, unlike you who I have only seen insist on maintaining the status quo or adding an unofficial ship which is not even SM or IN. I shoot down any suggestions to give them easy access to multiple long ranged and short ranged lances. I would give them something fluffy within limits. I would give them more protection than norm since they can't have as much variety as the other races.
Really? They don't need or deserve any modifications? Tell that to the many disappointed with SM. Harping on your own wins or another players win doesn't really mean they don't need it. It just either means:
a. You're a very good player (as well as the second place winner) or
b. Your opponent's play leave much to be desired or
c. A combination of both.
In any case, it is not good proof that a fleet does not need fixes and mainly just representative of your area's meta. Note I am not trying to diss your opponent's. I don't know how you people play. I'm just saying those are the possible reasons why you are having a good record. If you're opponents are good, then it means you must be really good.
SM has been complained about ever since they came out. Sure, there is the good player who can make them work but the problem is he is the exception to the rule. Most of the time, people find them lacking. I and a few others are then trying to find ways to balance them out. I'm even willing to limit them to the Emperor and Oberon if your objection is against any ship with more than 2 lances to one side, thus removing the Retribution from the list.
Definitely I am against SM having ready access to ship killing lances in anything more than 3 to one side but I am willing to go down to 2. I only added the Retribution because it is the only battleship with torps which the SM can make use of. Hell, I even remembered just now there was a suggestion before to replace the long ranged lances with BCs. We can do that as well and lower the cost a bit instead of adding 35 points, we can add 20-25 points.
As far as i can tell, people just want more, more, more for space marines, not caring about genra or backstory.
Yes, some people will want more and I would shoot them down if they didn't care about genre or back story. It doesn't mean I totally shut off any way of improving SM within the game to the point where people want to play them.
By the way, have you ever considered playing Segmentum Solar? you know, that giant fleet list that lets you take BOTH Space marine AND imperial navy ships? you can take an Emperor battleship with space marine strike cruisers legally! without changing any rules!
Of course I have. Not everyone, however, wants a mix of IN and SM ships. Some want to be purist.
I support the idea of adding the blackship. It's a good fit for the fleet as it stands. I have no problem with making "venerated" an upgrade to a NORMAL battle barge, so long as it isn't game breaking. I have a huge problem with people landing Retributions, Oberon, Emperor and Despoiler battleships and saying "lolmarines" on top of it. I also have a huge problem with doctrines because they were already factored in with their incredible leadership.
I fail to understand why you don't like SM to have access to the Emperor when it only has FP16 WBs at most to one side and FP11 to both and total of 4 THs. Retribution only has FP12 WBs+3 lances to one side or FP12+split of lances to both sides and torp support. Oberon has FP16+2 lances to one side or FP11+2 lances to one side and 2 TH support. Compare this to the FP10 WBs and FP8 BCs to one side or FP10 WBs +FP4 BCs to both sides plus torp and TH support esp if the WB+BC fix is introduced. The BB would still own in ranges 30 cm and below and all those IN type battleships have weaker armor compared to the regular Battle Barge and so are just as vulnerable.
Sure the others have farther range. Won't really kill a cruiser beyond 30 cm unless one gets lucky on the rolls much less hurt a battleship one on one. How is this game breaking again?