And BaronI, why does this bother you so much? You clearly play such non-standard games already that no official list is going to change it for you.
Two reasons. One, playing non-standard has made my skills rusty. With some discussion, we've abandoned the super board as of his week in favor of moving to 'standard'. Which is good, since I've been trying to herd them in that direction for about six months now, so that we can re-enter the tourny scene.
Two, I found out our convention bans end this year!
Baron... where are you from. You have the strangest metagame/table size that I've ever heard of, and your love for Bakka is astounding.
I don't think anyone has proclaimed so much excitement for this lists existence as you. Me, certainly I think its decent, however the HA like to mimic the past way too much.... I think they should've left this in the cold earth that it came from. Built something from scratch.
Then again, I only really like the Vanquisher, the Siluria and Havoc are decent additions too, although I think that they could be made more fluffy/unique.
The Mercury is... just... too far flung from IN designs. I could see a heavy fp IN cruiser with improved thrusters (like the Ignus), but this is just... weird.... radically different from any sort of logic. I imagine the Tech-Preist that came up with the idea for it was already mad.
The Jovian. Although it's fine, Valhallan had a point in my thread... it would never compare to the exorcist (in that world) without being too uniform with standard IN designs. Baron, honestly why do you want this vessel? Is it because you like LBs? Or is it just because of the unique nature of the vessel? Or like your SM lance argument, that it adds some variety to the fleet?
I really detest the reserve rules, as they are ridiculously confusing to interpret, and destroy almost all restrictions across sector fleets. The Jovian shouldn't be a reserve in this list, as it is an active vessel. It is dumb that it has to be listed as reserves just so that people can't take it elsewhere. Retroactive approach on rules...
If you look at 'flawed ships' you can see a more sensible way to do reserves/allies. Basically if agreed by your opponent, you can spend up to 1/3 of your points on another fleet list. Working exactly the same as if you were building a fleet that was only 1/3 the size from that fleetlist.
No sense in the 'I need three of this to get that' making all-too-typical ratios. I can't believe how confusing allying/reserving in general has become with all these documents. And I just can't believe that it was made into an 'always allowed' rule by the HA. There is no disadvantage even to doing it. I would at least say that the reserve vessels can't use FC re-rolls.
Western NY/PA.
I'd like to see the Jovian because it would freshen up IN tactics. Most successful players have been playing canned IN builds for years without a whole lot variation. I hate to say it, but all someone has to do is get their ships out of the box and you probably have a pretty good idea of what they're going to do play wise.
I do like the mini itself. It's very nice looking and I think would be fun to paint. While I do like LBs, they're not as key on the small table as they are on the large. I would, however, like to see an AC IN list. It's the only IN list we don't have at the moment, without adding SM ships.
Why I'm excited about Bakka:
One, I've enjoyed that fast, shooty version of IN for years, and enjoy playing this fleet that way. A lot of people have insisted i should play chaos instead, but it does not have the same 'feel'. (though I will miss the Cardinal and Enforcer for balance reasons, and the Invincible for reasons of the expression on my opponents face when I CTNH, I think I can make it work as is.)
Two: There is a list. There are names on this list. I'm told some still play BFG and 40k at tournies and cons. I doubt they'll remember me, the guy with the 'inferior' 'shitty' 'worthless' ships that pounded their fleets ball bags in, only to have them rob me of the prize that was rightfully mine, despite my list being 'unoffical'.
There will be no escape this time, no going back on agreeing to rules just because they lost. My dishonor during the 13th Black Crusade WILL be avenged!
The HA making Bakka official will make revenge all the sweeter as I crush them like bugs with the very 'worthless' fleet I wielded then!
Achem, sorry, started ranting:
Basically I had been slowly drifting away from BFG for years following being more or less robbed (and banned) at a tourney, then about two or three years ago, I saw one of those same asshats at Gencon pull a similar routine on a friend of mine in a 40k match, claiming that some of her minis were not sufficiently GW IP and she should be disqualified. (which incident led to our banning there too, though I did nothing)
The local gaming club took up Rogue Trader and asked to use my mega apoc gaming table for their games. So we created a sort of modded BFG for them, and found it was sort of fun to play a system wide conflict rather then a brawl in a box.
However, something kept bugging me, so I've been getting back into it more since then, going to the few groups that I've found still in the area and playing against them, and discovering that my knowledge of the rules was rusty from years of disuse, not knowing FAQs, and playing house rules during my banishment.
Which, as some of you have seen in my occasional arguments with D'Art and sig, is a serious disadvantage, causing me to have to recheck the PDF again and again, since my book copy is old and I misremember rules on occasion.
