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Offline Admiral_d_Artagnan

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2010, 09:45:41 PM »
Only one person has mentioned about using the Exorcist as a daemonship. In the old forums there were quite a few who used it. The Exorcist is a ship that can be more aggressive and effective by getting into the short ranges. It is not easily avoidable.

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #76 on: October 22, 2010, 04:30:00 AM »
Indeed. As for a fleet list, how about this:

CSM crew w/ chosen termies - 45
Executor - 210
Slaughter - 165
Slaughter - 165
Slaughter - 165

750 pts

Up close brutality mwuhahahaaah. Of course, you could take the Repulsive instead of the Executor with upgrades, but hey, boarding!

Seriously though, when you have 20 pts to spare you can upgrade to a Vengeance trading 4L@30cmL+R for 10WB@60cmL+R. If you have 45 pts (such as above) you can upgrade to a Repulsive instead, giving more focusable fire (23WBe vs 18WBe), more total direct fire (37WBe vs 36WBe) at better range and with 6 torps thrown in!

Of course, the superiority of the Repulsive does come at a hefty price tag (45 pts) which adds up when you're taking multiples of them. Not saying that the Rep isn't a better ship in the above fleet, just that it does pay for it. On a side note the Executor's broadsides compare pretty well to the Repulsive's, so if it had dorsal/prow weaponry it'd be right up there.


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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2010, 09:20:49 AM »
The repulsive is pretty strange in that it breaks conventional grand cruiser wisdom and has prow weaponry.

Prolly cuz it was made before they knew exactly what they wanted grand cruisers to be about.

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2010, 09:39:55 AM »
The 'later' grand cruisers break with the common cruiser design, having no front armament. So Repulsive was/is OK. The others not so OK. But that's only my opinion  ;)
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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2010, 09:47:23 AM »
The repulsive is pretty strange in that it breaks conventional grand cruiser wisdom and has prow weaponry.

Prolly cuz it was made before they knew exactly what they wanted grand cruisers to be about.

Eh, possibly. The Vengeance model is also just another take on the CG thing. It actually has more broadside hardpoints than a BB, so perhaps the people that made the rules dropped prow/dorsal weaponry so as to not overshadow BBs.

Since it was modular in design that allowed 5 variants, giving a total of 6 which does make it seem like the Rep is the odd duck, but if the Rep was modular then this wouldn't likely be the case.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Vengeance type CG with prow and dorsal refits, to make them like the Repulsive. Hell, you could use a Vengeance model for a Repulsive really, with only a little conversion work. In which case the Rep really just becomes a refitted Vengeance type (more like a modified Avenger really).

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2010, 04:49:47 AM »
We are currently working a "Powers of Chaos 2" project to produce flavored battle barges for the other three Chaos Powers (besides Nurgle) along with a re-tooled Despoiler option and Sudden Mega Death rules for Blackstone Fortress. Like the Terminus Est, these ships will be available for any Chaos fleet subject to individual restrictions, etc. We may also include a new fleet list, but if we do so it will only be in the manner of that for the Terminus Est as opposed to anything completely new or different.

In addition to the above mentioned vessels, here are two ships we are proposing to add to this list:

Hecate heavy cruiser, using current profile and expanded fluff.

Hellfire heavy cruiser, NEW profile:
240 points
Cruiser/8HP, 25cm, 45deg turns, Armor 5+, 2 shields, 2 turrets
Port WB's: 8x45cm
Stbd WB's: 8x45cm
Port lances: 2x30cm
Stbd lances: 2x30cm
Dorsal lances: 2x45cm
Prow WB's: 6x30cm

Fluff: Slaughter uprated by re-routing output from Scartix Coil from engines to weapons in attempt to up-gun cruiser hull. Design considered failure due to reliability issues and crew constraints but resulted in development of Repulsive grand cruiser.

Why Bob and I are considering this ship is because the fluff is cool, and the idea for this ship with the revised profile above fits neatly into the Chaos theme. Okay, I know some will ask, "What about the cool model from the 2002 Annual?" The problem with that model (despite how cool it is) is that we can't make a ship official that requires someone to sacrifice two cruiser hulls to make a single cruiser-hull model. However, by modifying the profile so that it neatly reflects an up-gunned Slaughter, the problem is fixed without requiring more than one hull, the model follows from a known hull design, and the fluff can be applied to a hull class for which it would actually make sense.

Before anyone asks, the Emasculator cruiser wasn't selected because it is too similar to the lance-variant Murder to justify having it as another cruiser class, and the Apostate raider is simply not going to happen. Chaos use raiders for raiding, not as heavy-escort fleet guards. This is not to mention Chaos has no business with a human-constructed Hellebore, even if we try to justify it with slower speed, better widgets, demon-infused power-bangers, whatever. The same shortcomings that made the Hellfire heavy cruiser a failure make the Apostate escort an engineering impossibility.

Thoughts?

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2010, 08:12:02 AM »
Hmm. Above is Repulsive variant with 6 batteries exchanged for 2 lances @ 30cm per broadside.

I'd rather have seen Slaanesh-Tzeentch-Khorne variants for battleships along the Terminus Est route is that is what you are planning to do.

Ray's Tzeenthc list from old Warp Rift was neat.

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2010, 09:41:03 AM »
In addition to the above mentioned vessels, here are two ships we are proposing to add to this list:

Hecate heavy cruiser, using current profile and expanded fluff.

Hellfire heavy cruiser, NEW profile:

The Hecate has always seemed like a very reasonable addition to me.  The old Hellfire was stupid, in my opinion.  Your new proposed statline seems reasonable though maybe a tad overcosted.  I'd suggest changing the name for three reasons: it is so different than the original Hellfire; you don't intend people to make the double decker conversion like the original (which I always hated); it doesn't fit the naming scheme of the other heavy cruisers.  Something Greek please.

While I'd be willing to welcome both of these ships into the Chaos fleet I don't think they are are what Chaos really needs.  Depending on which fleet list you are building from the Imperial Navy has 6-8 cruisers to pick from before they can start taking battlecruisers, grand cruisers, and battleships.  Even more cruiser options exist when you take reserves into account.  Chaos only have four cruiser options with no way to get more variety.  I think this is where the Chaos fleet list is really lacking.  While all the options are pretty good, I'd really like to see another two or so basic cruisers added to the roster.

As to exacly what these ships should be like I'm a bit unsure.  As general suggestions I think a carrier varient to help emphasize the Chaos prediliction for attack craft would fit and I'd also like to see another gap-bridging ship but this time at the cruiser level.  Something with a 6+ prow or torpedos would fit the bill.  Obviously this is a bit out of the norm so sacrifices would have to be made to make the ship work.  I know these two suggestions seem to be in opposite directions of each other, one to fit the Chaos theme and one to break it, but isn't that what options in fleet building are supposed to be about?

I guess I'll take a stab at some ship profiles since everyone else seems to have so much fun doing so.
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Early in M34 incidents of piracy were on the rise along many of the warp lanes connecting the Calixis and Scarus sectors.  In response to this several new cruisers were constructed to hunt the numerous corsair bands.  The new ships needed to be fast enough to respond to raids but still be powerful enough to destroy small pirate fleets either alone or with a minimal number of escorts.  The prototype was modified from a heavily damaged Devastation that had lain dormant at the Drystan Construction Yards for almost three centuries.  The lance decks were stripped and replaced with more reliable and less costly fusion cannons and plasma projectors.  This reduction in firepower was seen as no great loss since most pirate vessels tended to be poorly armoured.  The reconfigured Devastation, christened Privateer, immediatley proved it's worth as it single-handedly destroyed three pirate craft within it's first week of active duty.  Privateer and her sister ships almost put an end to piracy in the area in less than 100 years.  The success of the Devastation variant made them almost obsolete and most of them were ordered put on standby in reserve fleets.  Privateer refused to stand down and several flotillas were sent to bring the wayward ship home.  When news arrived that Privateer had destroyed a squadron of Navy escorts and looted several cargo ships madness spread to the captians and crews of the other mothballed Devastations.  Soon, no convoy, mining outpost, or colony was safe from the predations of what came to be known as the Pillager class.

Pillager Class Cruiser
175 points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 2
Port Launch Bays: 2
SB Launch Bays: 2
Port WBatts: 4 @ 45cm
SB WBatts: 4 @ 45cm
Prow WBatts: 6 @ 45cm
Improved Thrusters: +5D6 on All Ahead Full
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Now for a couple attempts at a ship that bridges the gap between Imperial and Chaos designs.

Rampage Class Cruiser
190 points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 6+ Front/5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 2
Port Lances: 1 @ 45cm
SB Lances: 1 @ 45cm
Port WBatts: 8 @ 45cm
SB WBatts: 8 @ 45cm

Abomination Class Cruiser
170 points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 2
Port WBatts: 10 @ 45cm
SB WBatts: 10 @ 45cm
Prow Torpedos: 6

Of these ships I obviously took the most time thinking about the Pillager and it's the one I'd be tempted call the most balanced.  The other two allow you to make some interesting changes to the way you play your Chaos fleet.  Love torpedos?  Take Abominations, Repulsives, and a Desolator; sprinkle in a few Infidels to taste.  Want to shove your fleet down the opponents throat?  Squadron a Rampage with a Murder and keep the Rampage slightly ahead to absorb enemy fire with it's mighty prow.

Well, I've rambled on for long enough. But I've got one question before I go.  Are there any plans to help the poor Vengeance and it's many variants?  I think they would all become a lot more tempting if they got armoured prows.

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2010, 03:29:12 PM »
Does seem costly, but glad to see you are looking over fleshing out chaos.  Now just give us some warp monsters and silver towers of tzeentch, and I will be content ;)

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2010, 12:40:38 AM »
Hecate heavy cruiser, using current profile and expanded fluff.

Can you reprint this profile for us? I vaguely remember a terribad profile being listed ages ago, but cannot find it.

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Hellfire heavy cruiser, NEW profile:
240 points
Cruiser/8HP, 25cm, 45deg turns, Armor 5+, 2 shields, 2 turrets
Port WB's: 8x45cm
Stbd WB's: 8x45cm
Port lances: 2x30cm
Stbd lances: 2x30cm
Dorsal lances: 2x45cm
Prow WB's: 6x30cm

Fluff: Slaughter uprated by re-routing output from Scartix Coil from engines to weapons in attempt to up-gun cruiser hull. Design considered failure due to reliability issues and crew constraints but resulted in development of Repulsive grand cruiser.

Ok, so you've ditched the model and the profile but decided to keep the name? Um, it doesn't fit the Chaos underworld theme that we have going on with Hades, Styx, Acheron and Hecate. Since this version is quite similar to the Cerberus profile I posted then why not use that name? In fact, why not just use that profile? Either way, at +75 pts over the Slaughter for +15cm range on the guns and 2L@45cmLFR it's a lemon. Particularly as it loses 5cm speed, the +1d6 AAF bonus and uses a CB slot.

The Hades gets +2L@60cmLFR for just 30 pts compared to the Murder. So why does the "Hellfire" pay 75 pts for equivalent trade-offs? At +25 pts the variant I posited was overpriced.

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #85 on: November 08, 2010, 09:25:10 AM »
From the Powers of Chaos pdf:

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The powers of Chaos, and likewise their fleets, are myriad. Abaddon may have led a fleet of Chaos Undivided during the Gothic War, but there are nonetheless numerous fleets dedicated solely to the service of one of the Great Powers of Chaos – Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch. Over the next few months we’ll be releasing a number of new models to provide additional specific options for each of the Powers of Chaos, beginning this month with the Terminus Est, flagship of the Plaguefleets of Nurgle. In a series of accompanying articles, we’ll be looking at the Powers of Chaos in Battlefleet Gothic. In this first instalment, Matt Keefe and Pete Haines introduce the Major Powers, plus full rules for the Terminus Est and the Plaguefleets of Nurgle.


Check the bold part. That's what we want. :)
Tzeentch
Khorne
Slaanesh

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #86 on: November 08, 2010, 07:03:21 PM »
From the Powers of Chaos pdf:

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The powers of Chaos, and likewise their fleets, are myriad. Abaddon may have led a fleet of Chaos Undivided during the Gothic War, but there are nonetheless numerous fleets dedicated solely to the service of one of the Great Powers of Chaos – Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch. Over the next few months we’ll be releasing a number of new models to provide additional specific options for each of the Powers of Chaos, beginning this month with the Terminus Est, flagship of the Plaguefleets of Nurgle. In a series of accompanying articles, we’ll be looking at the Powers of Chaos in Battlefleet Gothic. In this first instalment, Matt Keefe and Pete Haines introduce the Major Powers, plus full rules for the Terminus Est and the Plaguefleets of Nurgle.


Check the bold part. That's what we want. :)
Tzeentch
Khorne
Slaanesh

Hi Horizon!  :D  This is EXACTLY what we are working on, complete with flavored battlebarges, specific fleet lists, etc. Ray is working on this as well so if you liked his Tzeentch fleet list, you will probably see some form of it again. This is why we are bringing up adding ships to the list, as it will be a "Powers of Chaos" book in total as opposed to just something that only dredges up ships from the Horus Heresy. Here's the painful part. flavored battlebarge models actually existed. the Terminus Est really was the first of what were supposed to be more models, and second Chaos BB model master was actually completed, but it was all unplugged for reasons beyond the scope of this post. I will try to dig up a copy of the pic for the master model as it appeared around 2003-04.

Yes everyone, a re-profiled Despoiler will be one of the options. Before we gets lots of input on this, it will be a minor re-shuffle to make the prow more WYSIWYG as opposed to a complete re-do, so please refrain from the "please add more WB's/lances/Ether Cannon/whatever." However, there WILL be some options...   :)

In the larger scheme of things, Chaos is only one of many threats to the Imperium. While in M30 it encompassed nearly half the Imperium, the intervening ten millennia have not been kind to them. It’s numbers are shattered due to the wars of reunification, and to an even greater extent the internecine wars that took place within the Eye of Terror that pretty much consumed what little remained of these Legions. One Legion never made it to the Eye of Terror, such as the Alpha Legion that exist as separate warbands scattered throughout the Galactic East. Some of the Night Lords only retreated to the Eye of Terror much later, and much of their remaining number subsist as pirates on or around the Maelstrom or in secret bases throughout the Galactic East and Southern Rim. The Emperor’s Children and World Eaters are no longer Legions in any sense of the word, the Death Guard and Thousand Sons fared only a little better, and the Iron Warriors lost much of their number in protracted battles against the Imperial Fists during their flight to the Eye of Terror, a campaign that decimated the Imperial Fists for 19 years after the Heresy. Only the Black Legion and Word Bearers still exist in numbers that approach a real legion in strength, though the Word Bearers have their numbers split between the Eye of Terror and the Maelstrom, where they possess the corrupted factory world of Ghalmek.

Here's the part all the Chaos lovers are going to hate, and I KNOW I’m going to catch some vitriol for this. Chaos as an entity only possess only one real forgeworld (Baji IV), where many (though not all) of their escorts are constructed. Their escorts are all either renegade Imperial escorts or based on xenos, stolen or obsolete Imperial technology. In sum, even Abbadon’s 13th Black Crusade for all its destruction only managed to capture at best maybe four or five sectors, and even then only at great cost and in many cases only temporarily. Gazgull Thraka did at least that much in the War for Armageddon when he captured and held (and still holds) nearly two dozen worlds in the sectors surrounding Armageddon, and he is only one of many Ork warbosses throughout the galaxy that can claim such a great (or in some cases even greater) dominion of fallen Imperial worlds.

Where am I going with this? Chaos is not the be-all, end-all some fans make them out to be. They do not have the resources to design and construct new cruiser and battleship designs, though fluff has many examples of them finding and utilizing many ancient pre-heresy warships, some of unimaginable size and dimensions in more than one case. Except for the Planet Killer, every capital ship they own is stolen or subverted from the Imperium, and the vast majority of cases these are obsolete ships decommissioned due to design flaws or for possessing technology that can no longer be economically maintained. The Planet Killer was a one-off ship designed and constructed around a massive and extremely powerful artifact for the specific purpose of intimidation or destroying worlds when intimidation proved insufficient.

What does this mean? While we will be entertaining new cruiser hull ideas, it has to be something that is different from but closely correlates to the ancient Cypra Mundi pattern vessels Chaos would have access to. The Hecate fills this prerequisite nicely as a pre-Mars vessel built in small numbers after the Styx and before the Mars. The Hellfire was a good idea, but despite how cool the model is in the 2002 Annual (I built one), killing two hulls to make one is no good. However, the Hellfire profile wasn’t very far removed from what a Slaughter heavy cruiser variant would look like so that’s the direction Bob and I went. This is all set in wet mud right now which is why we posted it to the forum first, and Sigoroth made some excellent points concerning the Hellfire that we will take on board to an extent.

We are entertaining other cruiser ideas that may be out there, maybe as "one-offs" like the Acheron. That also means we are not entertaining “transitional” designs new to the game that are somewhere between the two, such as torpedo-armed 5+ prow cruisers and the like, or anything that has to be scratch-built or requiring multiple model hulls to make in any extent whatsoever.  We are also NOT entertaining Chaos-unique cruisers with 6+ prows, Chaos light cruiser classes, or anything with a Nova Cannon/Ether Cannon/Warp lance/pink horror catapult/whatever. This of course doesn't mean a Chaos fleet can't have a renegade Imperial cruiser in it, and the Draft FAQ allows a Chaos fleet to field a single Imperial cruiser (not battlecruiser) of any class as a renegade cruiser as long as no special weapons are taken (NO Nova Cannon!).

Here’s an entirely separate but related issue coming only from me, meaning I have NOT discussed it with the other HA’s. I have always been bothered by the fact that the Vengeance GC’s weren’t given prow torps. While 6+ armor is a definite NO, what’s the feeling about giving these 6 prow torps as an option? Even if we do it, it should be expensive, and it will be available to ALL variants if we do it. Keep in mind I haven’t run this past the other HA’s yet. Thoughts?

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2010, 07:13:45 PM »
From the Powers of Chaos pdf:

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The powers of Chaos, and likewise their fleets, are myriad. Abaddon may have led a fleet of Chaos Undivided during the Gothic War, but there are nonetheless numerous fleets dedicated solely to the service of one of the Great Powers of Chaos – Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch. Over the next few months we’ll be releasing a number of new models to provide additional specific options for each of the Powers of Chaos, beginning this month with the Terminus Est, flagship of the Plaguefleets of Nurgle. In a series of accompanying articles, we’ll be looking at the Powers of Chaos in Battlefleet Gothic. In this first instalment, Matt Keefe and Pete Haines introduce the Major Powers, plus full rules for the Terminus Est and the Plaguefleets of Nurgle.


Check the bold part. That's what we want. :)
Tzeentch
Khorne
Slaanesh

Hi Horizon!  :D  This is EXACTLY what we are working on, complete with flavored battlebarges, specific fleet lists, etc. Ray is working on this as well so if you liked his Tzeentch fleet list, you will probably see some form of it again. This is why we are bringing up adding ships to the list, as it will be a "Powers of Chaos" book in total as opposed to just something that only dredges up ships from the Horus Heresy. Here's the painful part. flavored battlebarge models actually existed. the Terminus Est really was the first of what were supposed to be more models, and second Chaos BB model master was actually completed, but it was all unplugged for reasons beyond the scope of this post. I will try to dig up a copy of the pic for the master model as it appeared around 2003-04.
I remember the Khornate one... I think... Given the designs available conversions should be possible with guidelines from you.

I striked your famous line. ;)

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Yes everyone, a re-profiled Despoiler will be one of the options. Before we gets lots of input on this, it will be a minor re-shuffle to make the prow more WYSIWYG as opposed to a complete re-do, so please refrain from the "please add more WB's/lances/Ether Cannon/whatever." However, there WILL be some options...   :)
The variant I posted was different, not stronger. Hope you use it as wysiwyg:
prow lb str4
port/s'board lb str2
port/s'board batteries str.10 @ 60cm
dorsal lance str3 @ 60cm

That's +8 batteries (4 per side focus) versus -4 lances.
8 torps for 4 launch bay swap.
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Here's the part all the Chaos lovers are going to hate, and I KNOW I’m going to catch some vitriol for this. Chaos as an entity only possess only one real forgeworld (Baji IV), where many (though not all) of their escorts are constructed. Their escorts are all either renegade Imperial escorts or based on xenos, stolen or obsolete Imperial technology. In sum, even Abbadon’s 13th Black Crusade for all its destruction only managed to capture at best maybe four or five sectors, and even then only at great cost and in many cases only temporarily. Gazgull Thraka did at least that much in the War for Armageddon when he captured and held (and still holds) nearly two dozen worlds in the sectors surrounding Armageddon, and he is only one of many Ork warbosses throughout the galaxy that can claim such a great (or in some cases even greater) dominion of fallen Imperial worlds.
A forgeworld that builds Despoilers and Acherons and more though. ;) Yes, they stole Infidel designs.

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Where am I going with this? Chaos is not the be-all, end-all some fans make them out to be. They do not have the resources to design and construct new cruiser and battleship designs, though fluff has many examples of them finding and utilizing many ancient pre-heresy warships, some of unimaginable size and dimensions in more than one case. Except for the Planet Killer, every capital ship they own is stolen or subverted from the Imperium, and the vast majority of cases these are obsolete ships decommissioned due to design flaws or for possessing technology that can no longer be economically maintained. The Planet Killer was a one-off ship designed and constructed around a massive and extremely powerful artifact for the specific purpose of intimidation or destroying worlds when intimidation proved insufficient.
Well, Loyal Marine Chapters own ancient Venerable Battle Barges. That means that Chapters who went heretic did have the same ancient vessels and took them to the eye.

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What does this mean? While we will be entertaining new cruiser hull ideas, it has to be something that is different from but closely correlates to the ancient Cypra Mundi pattern vessels Chaos would have access to. That means we are not entertaining “transitional” designs new to the game that are somewhere between the two, such as torpedo-armed 5+ prow cruisers and the like, or anything that has to be scratch-built or requiring multiple model hulls to make in any extent whatsoever. 
Hence the fact some of us said Chaos doesn't need new ships at all! :)

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The Hecate fills this prerequisite nicely as a pre-Mars vessel built in small numbers after the Styx and before the Mars. The Hellfire was a good idea, but despite how cool the model is in the 2002 Annual (I built one), killing two hulls to make one is no good. However, the Hellfire profile wasn’t very far removed from what a Slaughter heavy cruiser variant would look like so that’s the direction Bob and I went. This is all set in wet mud right now which is why we posted it to the forum first, and Sigoroth made some excellent points concerning the Hellfire that we will take on board to an extent.
'kay.

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Here’s an entirely separate but related issue coming only from me, meaning I have NOT discussed it with the other HA’s. I have always been bothered by the fact that the Vengeance GC’s weren’t given prow torps. While 6+ armor is a definite NO, what’s the feeling about giving these 6 prow torps as an option? Even if we do it, it should be expensive, and it will be available to ALL variants if we do it. Keep in mind I haven’t run this past the other HA’s yet. Thoughts?
Of course the prow should be kept at 5+ for them. Giving an optional torpedo at the prow is good. That means ditching the special critical hit rule for them (faq2010).

Question: When torps are available to the Vengeance Prow then it can also fit an exterminatus weapon to its prow. Agreed?

cheers,
keep it flowin

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2010, 07:18:52 PM »


Pillager Class Cruiser
175 points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 2
Port Launch Bays: 2
SB Launch Bays: 2
Port WBatts: 4 @ 45cm
SB WBatts: 4 @ 45cm
Prow WBatts: 6 @ 45cm
Improved Thrusters: +5D6 on All Ahead Full


I don't know about the +5D6 when AAF, as it was intentional that this quality be unique to the Slaughter, but the rest of this profile is EXACTLY what I mean by a good idea for a Chaos Cruiser.

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Re: If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?
« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2010, 07:25:47 PM »

A forgeworld that builds Despoilers and Acherons and more though.  Yes, they stole Infidel designs.


No, Chaos doesn't have a forgeworld that cranks out Despoilers. However, Despoilers are a corrupted copy of a better battleship design, many examples of which survived the Heresy and escaped into the Eye of Terror. Keep in mind that "many examples" is a term used loosely here, meaning several dozen out of the many hundreds that existed during the Great Crusade.

That's the direction we're going with this. Before anyone pouts, isn't it great that several dozen is so very much more than three?

- Nate
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