If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?

[Zelnik]

Overpowered? I have not seen a demon ship used in months.  I always found them to be under powered.  When they come into game, they come in at the START of the enemy phase, letting them get free shots off on a vessel that has not moved (being a defense is a bitch).  Usually it ends up braced or crippled the moment it comes into play.

Also, the upgrade is WITHERINGLY expensive, especially on larger cruiser hulls where popping in behind your enemy would be the most advantageous (though a slaughter would do well). You also cannot take space marine crews.

If you got, say, the mark of chaos of your choice for free, then the chaos demonship would be FAR more useful.

[horizon]

Yep, Daemonships are rubbish. Not worth taking. Waste of points etc..

[Plaxor]

The only build that I've seen on Daemonships that even seemed moderately effective was a slaughter with a MoS that stays spectral forever. However FAQ 2010 makes it so they don't move when spectral.

The daemonships teleport ability is really countered by the fact that it has to take a turn of fire. However an all daemonship fleet may not have this problem as bad. (I wrote up a list in my flawed ships thread)

I'll playtest it at some point. However 'Daemonship' might make sense to be just a free, or very low cost upgrade overall.

[lastspartacus]

I like me my Executioner demonship

[Sigoroth]

I like me my Executioner demonship

I presume you mean Executor.

[lastspartacus]

Thats the one!

[Zelnik]

If i take any of the special fleet battleships, which say they not only have a lord, but marks... do i have to purchase a warmaster for the fleet?

If I do, do i have to pay the full cost for a warmaster as listed in their fleet lists (say I am using the berzerker fleet of khorne.  I have to pay 120 points to get NO bonus to LD, and NO bonus from the mark, because they are already there!)

this REALLY needs to be clarified.

[lastspartacus]

Remember when I was saying the Murder's prow should be L/R/F and people were all like 'whoa thats too powerful!'

I just realized that the Inferno is exactly the same thing.  L/R/F Murders!

[Sigoroth]

Remember when I was saying the Murder's prow should be L/R/F and people were all like 'whoa thats too powerful!'

I just realized that the Inferno is exactly the same thing.  L/R/F Murders!

No, it's not.

[horizon]

To add...
Inferno has the broadsides of the Plague Claw Murder class variant.
Inferno has the prow weaponry of a Carnage : 6wb LFR @60cm.

[lastspartacus]

You still get the exact thing as the for-some-reason feared potential broadside, which by the way would be no different from a carnage with an equal battery to lance swap.  str10 battery and 2 lances. 

[Sigoroth]

le sigh

The LFR Murder puts out 2L at 60cm. This is worth roughly 10WBs. The Inferno (crap name), puts out 6WBs at 60cm. This means that a LFR Murder would be equal to a Carnage at 60cm, have +4WBe at 45cm, and be equal at <30cm. This is pure win. The Inferno has -4WB at 60cm, +4WBe at 45cm and becomes equal at <30cm. Therefore equal.

[Plaxor]

Sig is right. I was on 'make the murder better' team before I realized this. A murder with that layout would have to be 185-190 points.

Although it is kinda disappointing that a ship that is supposed to be the most used in the fluff, is probably the least used chaos cruiser.

[Dark Depths]

If it helps, I always take two murders in my chaos fleet, and most of the people in my group take two as well, as they pair up together nicely.

[Zelnik]

it is a well known tactic to squadron murders together.  When the book says 'holds the same place as the lunar cruiser' they mean it. individually, rather weak, together in a squadron, AMAZING!