If you could make a Chaos ship legal, which one(s) would it be?

[flybywire-E2C]

From what I've seen so far, I'm liking Rampage, Inferno, Charon, Cerberus, Thanatos, Tartarus, Gorgyra, and Hellhound. Again, that's just me.
- Nate

That would be:
Rampage or Inferno for the Cruiser and
Charon, Cerberus, Thanatos, Tartarus or Gorgyra for the

My preferences in Bold. Hellhound is already a 40k vehicle, so it might be better to quietly forget that one.

Thanks- sounds great! Anyone else?
Good point on the Hellhound. GW really bloopered with "Orca" by naming a WH40k assault lander after an escort used by the same race.

- Nate

[lastspartacus]

Tartarus is a great name.  Gehenna?

Are we only thinking of heavy cruiser names at this point?  Don't know if a normal cruiser is in the works.

[flybywire-E2C]

Tartarus is a great name.  Gehenna?

Are we only thinking of heavy cruiser names at this point?  Don't know if a normal cruiser is in the works.

Two heavy cruisers, one cruiser.

One more vote for Tartarus. Any more?

- Nate

[horizon]

Cool with me. Sounds like Tartar... lol.

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Go ahead and say it. Tartar Sauce.   

[lastspartacus]

That makes me think of my cryx army for some reason

And do we have current proposed stats for any of these ships?  Theres been alot of hull designs thrown around in the past few pages.

And, uh, I vote a str4 battery on the Acheron broadsides, with a points increase, for a real heavy slugger type heavy cruiser, rather than a cruiser that relocated its lances to its dorsal.  (Dives for cover.)

[Admiral_d_Artagnan]

Acheron is fine. The heavy slugger heavy cruiser goes to the Hades.

[Masque]

And do we have current proposed stats for any of these ships?  Theres been alot of hull designs thrown around in the past few pages.

Unless I'm mistaken, these are the three ships under consideration.  I believe the Hecate is being included completely as is.  The Hellfire might be getting tweaked a bit and is getting renamed (my vote is for Charon).  The Pillager is being tested, is probably losing the improved thrusters, might be tweaked further, and is being renamed (my vote is still for Havoc and I'm the one who made the ship up in the first place).

Hecate Class Heavy Cruiser
240 Points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 3
Port Launch Bays: 2
SB Launch Bays: 2
Port WBatts: 6 @ 45cm Left
SB WBatts: 6 @ 45cm Right
Prow Lances: 2 @ 60cm Front
Dorsal Lances: 2 @ 60cm L/F/R

Hellfire Class Heavy Cruiser
240 Points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 2
Port WBatts: 8 @ 45cm Left
SB WBatts: 8 @ 45cm Right
Port Lances: 2 @ 30cm Left
SB Lancess: 2 @ 30cm Right
Dorsal Lances: 2 @ 45cm L/F/R
Prow WBatts: 6 @ 30cm L/F/R

Pillager Class Cruiser
175 Points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 2
Port Launch Bays: 2
SB Launch Bays: 2
Port WBatts: 4 @ 45cm Left
SB WBatts: 4 @ 45cm Right
Prow WBatts: 6 @ 45cm L/F/R
Improved Thrusters: +5D6 on All Ahead Full

[horizon]

Hi Masque,
but Havoc in an official GW sanctioned name for a raider type vessel (destroyer class) useable to Rogue Traders.

And to add to the admiral and as said before:
Indeed no change the Acheron. Already one of the best cruisers. Sluggish is not how the Acheron looks or should behave,

[Masque]

If Havoc is off the table I like Rampage or Apostate.  Rampage fits in with the other basic Chaos cruiser names better than Apostate but I think Havoc fits even better.  I myself wouldn't be terribly worried about duplicating a name but I understand how it would bother others.  I can give several examples of names reused from 40K/Epic to BFG but I can see it's a little different with a 40KRPG ship and a BFG ship as they are both ships.

[lastspartacus]

I said slugger, not sluggish.  Its simply missing a hardpoint, inexplicably.

[horizon]

I said slugger, not sluggish.  Its simply missing a hardpoint, inexplicably.

As I explained it isn't. It is a xenon design. It has enough firepower. It should not be changed.

[Sigoroth]

Rampage sounds like an Ork name to me. Apostate is an escort name too. For the heavy Slaughter I really recommend Cerberus, even though it isn't my personal favourite (Thanatos and Charon are my favourites, followed by most of the others before Cerberus). The reason I recommend it is because Cerberus was THE hellhound. Nasty big doggy. Since the Slaughter is an up close mauler with all the subtly and finesse of a half-brick to the head and this ship is a heavy version of it (I'd keep the broadside ranges low too) then the name seems to fit. I'll just keep the rest of the proposed names as individual ship names instead (for Imperial ships).

As for the "Pillager" I think that d'Artagnan gave some really good names. I prefer the sound of an Annihilation class cruiser best.

Unless I'm mistaken, these are the three ships under consideration.  I believe the Hecate is being included completely as is.  The Hellfire might be getting tweaked a bit and is getting renamed (my vote is for Charon).  The Pillager is being tested, is probably losing the improved thrusters, might be tweaked further, and is being renamed (my vote is still for Havoc and I'm the one who made the ship up in the first place).

Hecate Class Heavy Cruiser
240 Points
Cruiser/8, Speed: 25cm, 45 Degrees, Armor: 5+, Shields: 2, Turrets: 3
Port Launch Bays: 2
SB Launch Bays: 2
Port WBatts: 6 @ 45cm Left
SB WBatts: 6 @ 45cm Right
Prow Lances: 2 @ 60cm Front
Dorsal Lances: 2 @ 60cm L/F/R

Ah, thank you for posting this, I remember it now. This is the terribad stat-line I referred to earlier. This profile should not not not become official. This is a Hades with 4WBs replaced with launch bays and an extra turret for 40 pts. This is terribad for 3 reasons. Firstly, a carrier shouldn't be encouraged to go prow on like this ship and a carrier that was designed to operate without the support of a fleet should certainly not be closing with the enemy. The point of this ship would be to stay away from the enemy.

Secondly, the picture supplied for the Hecate (supplied long before the stats) is that of a Devastation with added dorsal weaponry. Not only is this a more natural base profile for a carrier, particularly one expected to operate alone, but it also makes more sense to refit a Dev rather than a Hades when looking for a "carrier that was capable of defending itself against a modest fleet without the need of supporting vessels". Think about it. If you had a carrier already, but had determined that it was not strong enough to operate alone, would you try to convert a gunship to a carrier or would you try to fit more guns to your current carrier? I think that the latter case is much more sensible.

Thirdly, with this ship I see too much overlap with the Hades. It's not as if people take the Hades for their broadside weaponry. They take them for their forward lances. Sure there is an advantage for not having to reload, therefore being able to LO or whatever, but this basically combines two ships in one. For example, consider a fleet that contains 2 Hades and 2 Devs amongst other things. Now simply replace the 2 Hades with 2 Hecate, losing nothing from your main guns and giving you the 8 AC of the Devs. This frees you up to drop the 2 Devs, giving you 300 points to spend elsewhere.

I would instead suggest making it a Dev with dorsal lances. Prow weaponry possibly extended to 45cm, broadsides dropped to 45cm (which is probably what should happen to the Dev too). Leave it at 240.

[horizon]

Cerebrus is something I agree to.

[lastspartacus]

I fancy Tartarus.  

I'm just wondering, Horizon, what the Acheron is doing with the rest of its broadside space, as cruisers, much less heavy cruisers, fill them out alot more.  I know it is a xenos design, but if you split its firepower across the broadsides, you have 12 on each side.  Thats cruiser level, it should be around 15.  It doesnt fill a role that my Carnages or even Devastations don't.  I would rather pay 20 or so extra points and see a str4 battery added to each side.  The iconic heavy/battle cruiser dorsal lances are even nerfed in range compared to all others.

Yes, they did use alien technology on it, like the Adolator, but that doesn't mean alien advances cause you the need to double your weapon space on your broadsides.