The eldar players are not responsible for your lack of tactics, admiral.
Again you are assuming I lack tactics. That's the second time you have accused me of that. Why not I just assume your playing group is the one that lacks tactics for not using Eldar effectively because you can beat them with your IN consistently? The fact is there are almost no tactics which can be viable against Eldar with IN unless one does decide to tailor and even then the tailored ships are still in trouble because Eldar will be taking multiple squadrons of Hemlocks and Nightshades. Hemlocks, assuming 3 per squadron will fire anywhere bet 3 to 9 lance shots then zip away while Nightshades will be firing 6 re-rollable torps each squad of 3 and then zip away AND hide behind TERRAIN which every Eldar player will make sure to be on the table.
One of my first fights with my imperial navy, WAS eldar.. they even had the super-scary void stalker.
News Flash: The VS isn't the scary one.
I mopped the floor with him, AND trashed the void stalker before it had a chance to make a shot. I even used the 'horrible' and 'terrible' endeavor light cruiser to do it.
Haha well, fine, you had one good game. And how long has this Eldar player been playing? How many games has he had under his belt? How many times have you gamed? What did he bring against your IN and what was your IN's composition? Hint: if he was not bringing the Nightshades or the Hemlocks enmasse, he's not a true Eldar player.
Again, one good game does not break the facts, especially if you're tailoring by bringing 45 cm to 60 cm ships like the Overlord and Tyrant. Try using that same list against Chaos or other races and see your list burn.
And when it comes to the overlord, Again, if you can't figure out how to use it, that's not reason to change it.
I have a 1500 point fleet where i use two squadroned overlords as the primary 'hammer' of the fleet, and it does a number on just about every fleet i have played it against.
So what are you afraid of if the Overlord gets an NC? It still bumps up the cost to 250. It's not like it comes for free. It's not a question of I can't figure out how to use it effectively. It's an issue of there are other better ships which can take its place. Vengeance, Exorcists, Armageddon. That's the problem with the Overlord. Sure you can bring two. I can also being 2 Armageddons, 2 Vengeances or 2 Exorcists and I'd have more firepower to bear.
Hammer? Funny. Hammer with what? Your FP16 WBs with right column shifts for ranges above 30 cm? I'm so scared.
And if you were wondering... Just like how the space marines are not meant to win every game, the eldar are meant to win a LOT... why? because they have a hell of a lot more experience at space combat then almost any other faction. If you want to win against Eldar, bring tyrants or overlords, or change your tactics.
I don't mind Eldar winning a lot. I mind when there is virtually no chance of IN winning unless it tailors.
There are a LOT of similar complaints about the dwarves in blood bowl, but they have not changed because they are supposed to be a challenge to play against. Just like the eldar and necrons in BFG.
Perhaps you should start a thread on "how to beat eldar with IN" instead of trying to change the whole game, and insulting some of the players at the same time.
Again, challenge is meaningless if your fleet cannot win unless one has to tailor.
Insult? I haven't insulted you or anyone. In fact it's you who has been going out of the way insinuating people are dumb because they lack tactics. All I have said are it's the ones who are biased towards Eldar who would like to maintain the status quo. What's insulting or out of line about that? Is it false?
FYI, I'm not even one who proposed MMS. It was another Eldar player who decided that MMS was broken and wanted to institute another change to give the other players like IN (and Orks) a chance to win. Don't go harping at me.
And tell me, what's so bad about the NC's outer template doing 1 hit? Maybe finally Eldar will be forced to use that Special Order, BFI, which other races use consistently while Eldar do nothing but rely on their superb holofields.